Why are guns holy objects in this country?

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  1. Bowerbird

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    There is no disagreement that America is in a civil arms race fuelled by the armaments industry and its lapdogs
     
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    Better news

    Live in Australia and don't need it
     
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    But those are the statistics

    Let us look at more stats

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/485678
     
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    Then why are you concerned with American issues?
     
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    No it's really not....decades later to his day I still really do have a scar on my right calf from when my buddy loaded his BB gun with pellets and shot me in the leg when I was around 13 years old because I tried to steal one of his pool balls from his pool table and run out of the door lol.

    I don't know where you personally grew up but where I grew up firearms were nowhere even remotely close to being taboo. My father bought me a BB gun when I was 8 years old and my friends all had similar guns.

    If perhaps you were raised in a city then such a thing may seem completely alien to you. But the reality is that in rural America kids owned guns, and there was no stigma about it. It was nowhere near uncommon to see prepubescent children walking around with varmint hunter .22 rifles where I'm from.

    The main difference is that back then nobody feared we were going to walk into our school and shoot up the place because somebody picked on us too much unlike todays day and age.
     
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    Well the difference is that we have to figure out a way to actually address that instead of speculating about a fantasy world that we WISH existed here.

    There are more guns here than citizens and our citizens are just as heavily armed as our law enforcement officers and our Constitution says that's how it SHOULD be under the laws by which our nation was founded. So how exactly do we tackle a problem like that?
     
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    I doubt an Australian style intervention would help. However there are some things that may help. Firearm securement seems to have an effect on suicide at least. Tightening existing laws would not hurt. At this point there is no stopping merely mitigation
     
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    Again, the problem is not the item used to kill people but the act itself. Just like rape isn't about the sex but rather the violence behind the act.

    So taking guns away won't accomplish or stop anything. Someone intent on killing will just find another means.
     
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    What’s scientific about shooting or not shooting a rapist based on whether you’ve met or dated 6 months? Hell yes you shoot them. Quote me a stat that scientifically shows an acceptable level of acquaintance to make a proper shoot/no shoot decision.

    Your ideal world is depraved. It leads to violence of all kinds. Even mass shootings. Culture, morality, and decency are destroyed in the name of “science” and then those that don’t want to be victims of the result are looked down on for defending themselves and their families.

    And you don’t have a monopoly on science. You only use it as a shield when convenient.
     
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    I agree that those in possession of firearms should take reasonable measures to ensure their weapons are secured if they have children or something but how would we actually enforce such a law?

    For example I have multiple firearms, all except for one are stored in a locked gun safe. I have a plain shotgun that I just keep propped up against the wall next to my bed in my bedroom and I can leave it out because I live alone.

    Even if we were to implement laws requiring the proper securing of firearms how exactly would anybody know what I actually secure my firearms instead of just propping it up against my wall the way I currently do?
     
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    The problem with that is there are no statistics that can accurately show whether I personally am better off having a gun than not having a gun. We are all unique and my situation is probably more unique than most.
     
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    It is where my indoor gun range is... I teach gun safety classes, ccw classclasses, and have a pay for play gun range...it earns me money. At any given time there could be a dozen people at the range shooting firearms. I have 15 different officers and quite a few military members that shoot at my range. I've also started teaching reloading classes.
     
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    We like guns in America. You are free to move to a country that does not.
     
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    Want to make a bet?

    There has been a fair amount of research on this subject

    https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

    You are at far, far more risk having a gun in the house

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    You don't except by incidental finding. Most people abide reasonable precautions. The rest? Well when you find them you fine them. Meantime kids are safer no that is no bad thing
     
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    Can't blame ya, BB

    The stupidity of Murican right-wingers is HIGHLY entertaining...
     
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    Show me the statistics which show a person very familiar with firearms living in an area with no neighbors closer than a half mile and fifteen minutes minimum from law enforcement. Additionally he is just off of a road which runs out to a location where there is occasional alcohol and drug use.
     
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    I don't believe that's a real problem to be honest. The majority of firearm owners are responsible folks and take the necessary precautions to secure such weapons if they have children in the home.

    Of course there are the random idiots of society who don't but that's no different than anything else. We can't really legislate stupidity in all walks of life. Just like the vast majority of pregnant women know not to smoke when with child but there is always going to be the resident dumbass who is smoking a cigarette while 8 months pregnant.

    Every once and awhile we will see a news story of a resident dumbass who left their handgun on the coffee table and their toddler picked it up and shot themselves. But in the grand scheme of things those such incidents really are very rare.
     
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    Yes we can legislate stupidity. We sure do it with seat belts. We don't need to make a perfect system....just a better one
     
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    Can you deal with actual context or do you just invent **** for the hell of it?
     
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    Well the difference between seatbelts and mandatory gun securing is that I have to actually drive my car in public in the view of law enforcement who can see whether or not I am in fact wearing a seatbelt.

    With things like mandatory firearm security within the home how exactly would you enforce that? It is impossible to regulate what one does in their own home because nobody can actually see what you do or don't do within your own home.

    Like right now we could pass a law stating that all firearms must be properly secured but I keep a Mossberg shotgun propped up next to my bed. How exactly could you enforce whether or not I did that?
     
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    Their already trying...
     

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