Why are the COVID-19 spikes in Florida and Texas getting attention but not California?

You’re the definition of disingenuous.

 

What the hell are you talking about? In dealing with the pandemic, these are everybody's best days!!!!

Because now we know how to deal with the virus. We know that if people wear masks and keep social distancing works. Doctors know how to treat patients... not just sticking a tube down their throat which, most likely, in and of itself killed many of them. They know HQC kills people. We know we need more hospital beds. We now know that sick patients should be removed from hospices. First responders now have disposable protective equipment that they can actually dispose of, and don't have to use the same for weeks.

You believe that anybody's best days happened when we didn't know these things, and we didn't have the proper equipment???

Wow!

April were everybody's worst days. Everything from there should have been better everywhere.

That is absolute nonsense! You have no idea what herd immunity is. There is no herd immunity until 70% of the population is infected. And that's assuming nobody came from anywhere else. There is no "wall" between NY and other states. What you have in NY is people wearing masks, beaches, bars, restaurants reopening only when guidelines are met. A real monitoring with real numbers. We don't have that in Florida.

No! The difference is that Florida has an idiot Trump-lap-dog governor who has taken almost NO action to deal with this virus. Unlike Cuomo, DeSantis knows what needs to be done to stop this. He simply elects not to do it.

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/h...ndate/67-888538f9-da5c-4ca1-a944-90c3f90904bf

He wants the RNC convention in Jacksonville, a city that has terrible Covid 19 numbers, and which is not equipped to handle this. There are not nearly enough hotels to handle an event of this magnitude. But our idiot governor is more concerned with pleasing the Dictator than for the life of people in his state.

https://floridapolitics.com/archive...an-national-convention-host-city-jacksonville

And you asked if I'd like Cuomo to be in charge of this???? I'm calling "no-brainer!"

 

When we didn't know how to handle it. What's Florida's excuse now that we do?

 

Again, I was accused of saying today’s cases in FL came from NY. That was untrue. To clarify I’ve stated the spread is likely going from FL to NY today.

Cases all over the country have been linked to NY by genetic analysis. It’s illogical to claim traveling to NY and returning home can spread a virus, but that NY residents traveling to other states can not spread a virus. Having or having had a NY address doesn’t stop you spreading viral infections. I quoted a confirmed spread to another state from NY. I suspect there are many others if one searched a bit.

This is probably the best summary. I think new findings have shown the overall percentage coming out of NY was less than the claimed 65% in this article but I can’t find updated numbers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...s/new-york-city-coronavirus-outbreak.amp.html

 

I suspect most states had their first cases from international travel. I believe our first case was imported from England. I know this is a complicated subject for some, but just because FL got their first case from Europe doesn’t make it impossible for cases to enter the state from elsewhere. It’s not like the Italian virus entered FL and erected an impenetrable barrier against infections from NY. I guess if you have information to the contrary I’d be glad to review it. After my state’s European case we had them brought in from other places before community spread began in earnest.

I find it interesting your link mentions one confirmed case of a NY resident who traveled to FL, and by the end of March about 8% of infected persons in FL were residents of other states. I’m sure it’s impossible any were from NY though, even though I documented almost 80,000 NY residents were entering during that time period.

 

Ok. You are welcome to refute anything I post with facts of your own. Or just keep this up. Either way I’m entertained.

 

I'm sorry. Why would people flee New York to start the current Florida outbreak when theirs was over?


Florida's problem is they opened with over 5% positives and almost no contact tracing. I'm not sure what makes these guys think they can just reopen without doing anything different.

 

Well, see, all the things that killed people in New York, the majority of the country figured out before killing a bunch of people. Only stupid states sent infected people to rest homes in droves. Only stupid states waited to disinfect public transportation. Again, I’m just a hick farmer and I figured out the ventilator issue before Cuomo. New York was I’ll prepared and made wrong decisions at the same time other states were making correct decisions. It’s not debatable.

There isn’t any “we”. There are failures like NY and successes with real state governments. Don’t project your hero’s failures on others who clearly succeeded.

All things being equal, yes. But they aren’t.

LOL. It’s estimated 70% would by baseline for herd immunity sufficient for good control on its own merits. But because you are lacking in math skills you fail to understand it’s a sliding scale. At 40% herd immunity infection rates will fall. Push that to 50% they will fall further. I don’t believe New York is at 70%. That’s why I didn’t claim they were at 70%. At 50% we will see drastic reductions in infection rates and I believe we are seeing that in NY and countries like Italy etc. To change my mind you will have to present something factual to counter the facts and research I’ve presented. Saying I don’t understand herd immunity when you clearly do not isn’t an argument.

I’m sure you vote for characters like Cuomo so someday you may get your wish. Enjoy. I’ll be here enjoying my state government that doesn’t call success killing people quicker than other states.

 

Ding! Ding! Ding! A very big key factor certain people seem to ignore

 

For the last time, I’ve never claimed current cases in FL are from NY. I simply pointed out to another member that New Yorkers fled during the height of the pandemic in NY. Again, this is July. All my comment on spread out of NY has been March-May. Please read my posts before trying to critique them with irrelevant information.

 

Well lets see. There was no increase in Florida from New York before or after this outbreak so what's your point?

 

Well yes there was. Your link proved it. This thread is is amazing.

 

Before you go on with your nonsense, show that states "knew" that states with their hospitals completely full to capacity allowed patients from rest homes to be sent to hospitals. Florida didn't. Except after New York realized that was a problem. Fortunately there weren't that many cases here at that point, but... that shows any other state in the same situation would have probably made the same mistake. Assuming it was a mistake.

Covid 19 is not often transmitted by surfaces. It's theoretically possible, but not the usual way these viruses spreads. Wearing masks is immensely more important.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09603120500115298?scroll=top&needAccess=true&

Not sure why I keep giving you references, while you make one wild claim after another with ZERO references.

Oh God!

I think this is about the highest level of nonsense any rational person could withstand. You're saying you knew that NY would run out of ventilators before Cuomo? That means you knew, not only how many people would be infected, but how many ventilators each hospital had.

If you can't show how you knew those things before Cuomo, your credibility will be forever tarnished.

Of course they're not. New York has immensely more people coming from Europe than Florida. And New York has a competent governor, whereas Florida doesn't.

And just when we thought your statements could not get more absurd....

The population of the state of New York is 19 million people. The number of infected people in the state is a bit over 400 thousand. The population of New York City alone is 8.4 million. Yeah.... your math skills are so great I'm starting to wonder if you're not actually Pythagoras under a pseudonym.

Forget math skills. You have lost all credibility

 

Already have. Your shtick is getting old.

 

His point is to take people down rabbit holes. He must be bored

 

I know you get tired of not being able to refute the factual information I’ve provided. There seem to be a lot of birds of that feather replying to me in this thread.

 

Alright then, what is the date where it turned from NOT knowing how to handle it, to knowing how to handle it?

 

It's just that you referred to 80,000 NY citizens who fled to Florida.

 

No idea. Why would you think I would have any interest in looking that up? Or to remember it, if I ever knew it?

 

Presumably because you are sayng that we once DID NOT know how to handle it, but now we DO know, and you are basing you criticism of Florida on what we know NOW. How is this possible without having a cut off date in mind?

 

It would be impossible. It would be like claiming that men descended from primates without knowing the date in which the mother of the first common ancestor of homo sapiens was impregnated.

 

So, you are saying that the florida cases came from new york?

 

That’s correct. By Florida’s official count nearly 80,000 New York residents entered FL during the height of the pandemic in NY. Those arriving by plane and by automobile were required to fill out paperwork with the state of FL. It was all described in my links. @ronv was kind enough to provide a link describing one particular case of a positive test in a NY resident who traveled to FL. His link also gave statistics showing at various points in time during the height of NY’s catastrophe up to 8% of cases in FL were residents of other states.

Now the tables have turned and NY wants to control entry from FL to NY. Probably the first intelligent move so far by NY state government.

 

Sure. From February thru May undoubtedly. Another member proved it. Why is this complicated?

 

You said the current cases came from NY.