Why are there conservatives in the middle class?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by zgillis, Dec 8, 2011.

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Why are there conservatives in the middle class?

  1. They are being tricked by Fox News, etc. into supporting the rich.

    50.0%
  2. They have a valid reason to hate helpful programs for the good of the country.

    36.7%
  3. They aren't open to any new ideas.

    16.7%
  4. They genuinely support a fascist USA.

    16.7%
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  1. zgillis

    zgillis Member

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    I've always wondered how people of the middle class end up supporting the people who make them poorer (fascist Republicans) and say that "the rich people earned it" when most of the rich people inherited their money or bet on the failure of the banks in 2008. I just don't understand it at all! How is there such a deficit that social programs have to be cut, yet there are people making hundreds of billions of dollars who pay off politicians to cut their income taxes even more. The cuts to social programs are the Republicans' way of filling the hole left by their tax cuts. Obama is finally sticking up for himself on the payroll tax, since the republicans weren't willing to make their Koch Brother butt-buddies chip in a few bucks to help the 99%. IT JUST DRIVES ME CRAZY! Also, I believe that Republicans are against abortion and birth control because they want to drive up the population so their rich friends have more peasants working for them. After all, Walmart takes out "dead peasant life insurance" policies on their employees, so when one dies, they collect a few million.

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    KSigMason Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Everything about your poll is ignorant and (*)(*)(*)(*)ing stupid. So, yeah, you're ignored.
     
  3. DDave

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    Hey look, another moronic poll with no options that reflect reality.
     
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    Why are most of the 1%ers Left Progressive Socialists (Soros ,corzine Asner...
     
  5. hiimjered

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    Where is the answer, "Because they actually care about freedom"?
     
  6. NotDependant

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    Well I do agree Fox News has something to do with it, this is ridiculous, conservatives have a right to be..well conservatives.
     
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    Well, you ran into some trouble about 20 words into your post. "Facist Republicans" is what you've decided to label all conservatives. I am conservative, but don't identify with a party. I believe in running a healthy, balanced budget because inflation hurts the poor. I am against the Federal Reserve printing money to fund wars and pay for social programs we can't afford. Most identified Republicans are likely against the kind of government/business collusion that you hate because it hurts the poor. To suggest that Democrats don't engage in the same, pandering, wall-street friendly behavior is so naive and uninformed that most people here won't bother responding to your post.

    This is a bi-partisan problem, and to narrow your focus on Republicans is foolish and will get you no where. There have only been a handful of individuals in either party over the past several decades who have been against corporate welfare and special interests. You'll realize this if you dig a little deeper. (PS: Obama is NOT one of these individuals I'm refering to)
     
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    This definitely explains why Obama has more funding from Wallstreet than all of the republican candidates.

    We need to stop crony capitalism.

    Inflation is not good for the middle class, my friend. Neither is an unbalanced budget and outrageous spending. All of which is taking place because of keynesian economic policies.

    Republicans are against abortion because that is what their voters want to hear. Any republican who is pro-life is considered "unelectable". Pretty stupid if you ask me. The voters are pro-life because they believe life begins at conception and they believe abortion is murder.

    While I don't really consider myself a Republican, I have to say your ideas are biased and pretty much unfounded.
     
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    Garbage .
     
  10. PatrickT

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    Not all middle-class people are selfish, self-centered, jealous people who aren't very bright.

    Oh, and do you lie much? Got a reference for this jewel: "After all, Walmart takes out "dead peasant life insurance" policies on their employees, so when one dies, they collect a few million." That will be considered an Eric Holder-type lie until you come up with a reference.

    High quality poll, though. I can't believe you actually found five liberals stupid enough to answer.
     
  11. zgillis

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    I have some "conservative" values myself, but I would never vote for a Republican because they all seem corrupted. Why else would Scott Walker make a law that you need a permit to protest at the capital?
     
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    Mike moore said it so its for sure true
     
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    I'm a working class American who rents and has no children.

    If Bush Tax Cuts gets repealed for everyone, as they should because it is morally wrong to attack just the rich, my taxes go up 5% and I have no deductions to protect me.

    If instead of repealing the Bush Tax cuts, we instead simplify the tax code, and broaden the base to make at least some of the 47% who pay no income taxes pay some (*)(*)(*)(*) income tax like I have to, then my taxes don't go up and I don't suffer.

    So, that is the bottom line.

    The Republicans have my best interests at heart, the Democrats want to rape me and tell me that it is my civic duty to support other working class people just becuase I choose to live within my means and they don't, or alternatively violate my moral/ethical code by taking more money away from a class of people that already pay 50%+ of their incomes to Federal, State and Local Taxes before they even get to cash the check.

    A lousy 4.6 point increase on the income of people making 250k a year is not going to claw our way out of 15 trillion in debt. Not one bit.

    Time for everyone to start paying income taxes. I don't care if its 10 cents for a bum on the street. Don't tell me that the civic duty to pay income tax ends the minute you have kids and buy a home.
     
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    You have to love it. Why would Barack Obama support organized crime in the form of unions. Extortion is not negotiation.
     
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    I could not have said it better. The Republican Congress is only in it to protect the wealthy. Why else would they protect the bush tax cuts at the expense of the poor dont see why no one else ses the same thing. The temporary tax cuts that benefited the wealthy the most should expire. Since the reaped the benefits, if we need more revenue why does that money need to come from the poor? I'm with you 100%.
     
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    Alot of the middle class vote Republican because they are often seen as the 'party of the rich' and they also believe in class mobility and wish to someday be rich themselves.

    No.

    There are in fact libertarian-leaning Republicans like the great Ron Paul who are in favor of abortion rights.

    As a registered Republican and Paul-supporting White Nationalist I believe a pro-abortion policy shall help make future racial eugenics programs much easier to put into place.
     
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    You realize that not a single one of your poll options correlates with the actual question, right?


    So poor people never watch fox news? Why not? That would seem to imply to me that they don't watch the news, and therefore are more ignorant anyway unless you believe that the poor go straight to books.

    What the hell does it mean to be 'good for the country'? Especially when the middle class constitutes a very large portion of Americans? Furthermore are you really so cynical to believe that a good 40% or so of 'the country' wants to hurt 'the country'? Once again, what the hell does this have to do with being in the middle class??? It would seem to me that those in the lower class would have a bigger incentive than the middle class to screw over the country as a whole in order to help themselves climb up the ladder. This is especially true because of the liberal statement that policies since reagan have been shrinking the middle class!

    What does this have to do with being middle class? It would seem that those in the middle class who are more likely to both be educated and go to colleges (which are predominantly liberal) are going to be more open to ideas (often liberal ones) than those in the lower class who are more likely to be less educated and not gone to college in the first place!

    What does this have to do with being in the middle class??? Are fascists not allowed to be poor people? Hitler and Mussolini were both lower class/lower middle class!

    Your argument is to the same intellectual calibre as most of the more foolish republicans around here.
     
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    Because you are wrong. If all you can come to with 2 guys. Show me the stats on the 1%. I don't they are all progressive.
     
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    Because the poor and middle class also benefited from the exact same cuts. Or do you subscribe to the misguided liberal propaganda that says some tax brackets stayed the same after the Bush tax cuts?
     
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    There are so many things wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin. I'll just sum it up with this; the fact that you think like that is exactly why you are where you are in life. And why you will likely never change.

    You have built yourself an invisible mental prison. It doesn't really exist, but it feels as real as anything tangiable to you. And only you have the key to get out. But you will never find it until you learn to stop blaming others.
     
  23. cowbird

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    The wealthy made out disproportionately better. Have you not seen the bubble graph. It was a boondoggle if you add the reduction to the capital gains tax and death tax. 250 buck for me, wow! Hold me back from shopping..... but 250k! - I got a new home coming,
     
  24. hiimjered

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    Yet in both cases it was the same percentage point reduction in taxes. The rich guy may pay $250k less in taxes, but he is still forking over millions in taxes while you may be paying a grand.

    Two guys go to dinner. One spends $10, the other spends $100. The restaurant decides to refund 10%. The guy who only gets $1 back complains that the restaurant must be favoring the rich because he gave the rich guy back ten times as much as he got.
     
  25. PatrickT

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    But, but, but you do realize that the tax cuts didn't help people who pay no income tax, don't you? Now, the liberal tax increases punish those who pay taxes and benefit those who don't. Now that's, Obama's favorite word, fair, isn't it? An acquaintance of mine actually whined that the tax cuts did nothing for him.

    Cutting tax rates for middle-class and lower-class working people doesn't interest liberals.

    Why are there conservatives in the middle class. There are people in the middle class who are responsible, independent, compassionate, and intelligent. That would mean they can't be liberals, wouldn't it?
     

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