Why are there so many mass shootings

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  1. Mac-7

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    What made them want to be enabled?

    Why do these kids want to murder innocent strangers to begin with?

    And why now instead of in older generations?

    You dont know but Prager does
     
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    As I noted, his excuses for the exceptionally high level of mass firearm slaughter in the US fail because the profile he contrives (alienated, non-religious, young white males growing up in fatherless homes and having female teachers) corresponds to European nations where the level of mass firearm slaughter is far lower.

    What distinguishes those advanced nations in their far lower level of mass firearm slaughter is that they do not have the permissiveness of US law that results in far more firearms being easily available and, correspondingly, far more firearm massacres in the US.
     
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    Ok

    You dont like our explanation

    Whats yours?
     
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    And you think that is a representative sample of Islam?
    Have you ever read the Koran? I have- wanting to try and understand how any human being could justify the "values" Muslims believe in. You have to have that inbred in you from birth, and that is exactly what they do- program to hate. Act nice to hide the hate, until it's time to unleash it. It's in their book. Instructions and advice, such as believing that by killing infidels you are doing them a favor.

    How many "hate spewing" Christians do you really know? How many of them practice honor killings, give their women the status of a half-person, and set off suicide bombs in public market places?
    When you add everything up to balance the books, you can't just pick the things that will produce the result you want to promote. Unless you just don't give a damn about reality; then that is what you do intentionally.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Pure unadultrated HOGWASH, bumpo.
     
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    You may like his seriously-flawed explanation because it does not confront the obvious. The reason that the US has far more firearm massacres than all other western democracies is that it has far more firearms, a result of far more permissive firearm laws.
     
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    I like his explanation before I heard it because it has been my thinking also for quite some time

    Guns have not changed since the 1950s when children committing mass shooting were practically unheard of

    But American culture has changed by becoming more liberal and less religious

    And children have changed - for the worse
     
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    I exposed Prager's feeble attempts not to honestly confront the pertinent reason that firearm massacres occur at a far higher rate in the US.

    While all western democracies have experienced his significant diminution in religious affiliation, have a higher incidence of alienated young men raised in homes where no father is present, have been increasingly taught by females, have mental health problems, and play violent video games, the far higher rate of firearm massacres in the US correlates with the far higher availability of firearms in the US.
     
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    While I have been to europe that does not make me an expert on euro countries or their culture

    But I have vastly more knowledge about America where I was born and have lived most of my life

    The debate should not be about what weapon mass murderers use but why they are mass murderers to begin with
     
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    identifying as Christian means nothing.
     
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    You seriously think someone that has been planning to commit mass murder for weeks, months or even years is simply going to harmlessly meld back into society just because they can't get their hands on a gun?
     
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    But you said # 1 and 2 reasons is not having Christian faith and being fatherless. I clearly showed there are other countries that have far more percentage of people who are atheist or non-religious and countries with the same or higher percentage of fatherless homes yet those countries do not have the mass shootings per capita that the US has. If those are 1 and 2 of reasons then surely those countries I pointed out should have the mass shooting problem we have. Yet none do.
    Why would simply not having a father cause a person to commit mass murder? Are you saying ONLY people with no father commit mass murder? If you answer yes, please provide verifiable factual data proving such.
     
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    As I keep telling you I will not compare the US to other countries
     
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    Of course not, as that would refute your argument.
     
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    Go read Mein Kampf and then tell me whether or not he was lying about being a Christian. Hitler in Mein Kampf said he dispised Christianinty because it made the pure Aryan race weak.
     
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    I am unfamiliar with the "someone" you reference, and would not assume that I could predict his thought processes if I did.

    Clearly, he would find it far more difficult to act on his warped desires if he were trying to access his firearms in, say, Japan, rather than in the US.

    Permissive laws are enabling for such individuals.

    There is an undeniable correlation between permissiveness in amassing one's arsenals, and the level of fatalities that result.

    More firearms, more firearm fatalities. Far more firearms, far more firearm fatalities.

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    I can drown someone if there is no water either. I can’t saw someone up with a chainsaw if there are no chainsawas. Your argument is DUMB!!!!
     
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    Only if you count no country outside the USA and even there it is debatable.
     
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    Made who do what?

    The OP title asks why there are so many mass shootings. If the OP is referring to shootings via guns, then obviously guns is the obvious reason for shootings.
    Not just mass, but any shootings involving a gun.

    No gun, NO shooting via a gun. Pretty basic.
     
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    Not all, but maybe some.

    Fact is, no gun, no gun shooter, no gun shootings.
     
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    I'd sure like to hear about a major atheist terrorist attack.
     
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    Watched the video in the OP. Don't tell me that bloke has an audience? Jayzuz. His first premise is that there has been no change in the availability of guns over the decades. Yet he cites nothing in support of that and he also completely ignores the commercialisation of the gun lobby and the rise of the NRA. My gut feel is that the rise in availability has massively increased since the 40s, a decade half of which was taken up by a War and the other half, a recovery from it.

    And then he cites what he reckons are changes which have occurred and he is implicitly laying the blame for these mass shootings at them.

    1. Decline in religion. Got the same in Australia.
    2. Decline in marriage rates. Got the same in Australia.
    3. No 'father' - decline in male role models. Got the same in Australia.
    4. Left if encouragiing a 'grievance' mentality. We have the 'left' here allegedly doing the same thing.
    5. Victim mentality. Got the same in Australia.

    So, if he is right, we'd have a rising rate of mass shootings here. But.....we don't. What did we change? We severely restricted and heavilty regulated the availability of guns.

    So....Prager is wrong on his own logic.
     
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    O

    Somewhere in that video, there was a reference to not being white, implying that blacks etc are the perps. Nah.

    https://news.sky.com/story/why-are-white-men-more-likely-to-carry-out-mass-shootings-11252808

     
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    Yes. And why are you afraid to try it?
     
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    That is a simplistic BS view. What is behind the psychology that would make someone commit the act is the real question, and you know it. You are smarter than that.
     

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