Why didn't Trump ask the January 6th rioters to stand down earlier?

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  1. Across the pond

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    Yeah, my wife caught me the other day....
     
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    Caught my wife a while back giving the duck lips to the mirror while she was getting dressed. Making sure her pout game was on lol
     
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    Haha. Well at least I wasn't talking to the mirror, just myself. Talking myself through my packing technique. Not at all embarrassing
     
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    my wife has this super power of transmitting deadly icy rays from her eyes. i have caught her practicing, but she froze me before i could say anything.
     
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    One could just as easily ask why he sent them there in the first place since the election was not effected by fraud. Once you answer that question you have the answer to the question you asked. It was all done in pursuit of a coup.
     
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    I got a better one. @Rampart

    https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/Miller Testimony.pdf

    He talks about the 10,000 statement in there.

    Do you guys think this committee will present his testimony made under oath? I think not.

    Not only did they have full authority to use the national guard but trump definitively told them they would need 10,000.

    But you won’t see that testimony or Miller making those statements in this committee. Because they don’t WANT you to see it.
     
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    This committee is a complete fraud. Because you have to ask yourself. If they’re hiding this… what else are they hiding that we DON’T already know about?
     
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    Because he was hoping for a different outcome, was desperate to declare martial law if the Capital storming worked, because he was having too much fun enjoying his vindictiveness and victimhood??

    Pyromaniacs do like to start fires and watch them burn.
     
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    Secret Service could not adequately assure his safety. That would have required a **** ton of pre-planning.
     
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    The committee may address it, I don't know. They are addressing some of the RW allegations - 2 examples off the top of my head: suitcase full of ballots, and phone evidence from 2000 Mules .
     
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    But if he did say it as the sworn testimony declares… that disproves the ENTIRETY of the democrat position that this was some planned coup attempt. Sedition or any other conspiracy charge. Does it not?

    ESPECIALLY if he said as reported, “You do whatever you have to do.” And then he reiterated it for a second time. I mean that seems open and shut.
     
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    If he's telling the truth then that would certainly be difficult to explain in the context of a planned coup. I've heard the suggestion that maybe Trump wanted the National Guard to protect his own people but that's pretty hard to square with the coup idea, unless Trump delusionally thought they NG would go along with the storming of the capitol. I think Trump is delusional but not that much.
     
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    To return to this point, given its significance, I think the committee certainly SHOULD address it if they try to make a case for Trump deliberately sending the rioters to invade the capitol. If they don't, then I will agree with you about the committee's bias.
     
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    See liberals this is what it means to dislike someone like Trump but still recognize bias when you see it. That’s called honesty. Kudos to you.
     
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    I see what you mean
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    If you don't have the answer to where Trump was, then stop spreading your misinformation and childish posts. The best the committee with come up with is another "book seller" from Trump's camp that is a disgruntled employee Stephanie Grisham who, like you, has no proof.

    Kash Patel interviews ... how many do you want... he said Trump offered the guards days before... he says he has the documents of the Trump "signed" but Pelosi "unsigned" but I have yet to see them ...

    I've got more of him saying Trump offered guards, just holler... go back to post #61 if you want to see the pentagon timeline of offering guards... if you are not satisficed with Just the News copy of it I can dig up the actual government link.

    From below ""mayor Bowser flat out rejected it"" I have the Bowser signed document if you want to see it..

    Kash Patel confirms the Trump Admin was trying to deploy the National Guard for Jan 6 but were blocked
    Kash Patel tells @JanJekielek
    January 6 could’ve been prevented. They was trying to send in the National Guard to help but people like mayor Bowser flat out rejected it for political reasons he believes.

    https://twitter.com/AKA_RealDirty/status/1412146678644330496

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    You might consider that your question is based on the premise that the protestors would respond to a statement from Trump like a soldier to an order. Trump wasn't in control of the group- and there were 500,000 people at the demonstration; but the portion that got radical was less than 300- and that is .0003% of the total number there. We also know there were agitators from the left present in that small radical group, inciting violence like a guy in an old western trying to raise a lynch mob. These were the real trouble makers- and neither they nor the people who put them there got any attention or legal pursuit from government.

    We have people here at present that want to turn all politics into a pissing match- with objectives far larger than winning an election; they want to destroy the system. Trump represented the most potent obstacle to that, and the efforts to destroy him and his influence by whatever means necessary have been continuous- and still are. The plan here- is to hold Trump responsible for what the left provokes. That's a tactic, and we've seen it over and over. The chaos that the US has experienced over the last 5 years of so is 95% the direct result of that kind of agitation and tactic. We've been far too tolerant of it- but Trump is not the one who brought it down on us.
     
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    thanks for that report. it should be in the record.
     
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    Both are overt lies.
     
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    The crowd were chanting "Fight for Trump". Someone was reading his tweets over a megaphone. So there was plenty of reason to think they might respond to a request from him. Why didn't he even try to call them back from the capitol for hours unless he was content for them to be there?
     
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    "And if you look at the video from January 6, and they still won't release all of it, and entire side of the Capitol, I believe it's the south side, was totally unmanned. No police officers whatsoever, and that's where the crowd came in through," Patel said. "And you have to ask yourself: 'What happened on January 6?'"
    https://thepostmillennial.com/watch-trump-offered-national-guard-capitol-denied

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    Jan 6 happen because of complete failure from law-enforcement. On Jan 4, 5, and 6 he was on the phone with the President, chief of staff, Attorney General, and DHS. The only person that was missing from the phone call was the Director of the FBI.

    https://twitter.com/AKA_RealDirty/status/1412159033151311872

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    You seem to have an agenda here- of making Trump the controlling influence over a group of people who got radical. The degree of stretch you put in your argument is actually kind of ludicrous.
    Trump is much smarter than the left wants to make him appear, but remember Trump was not a career politician, he was a businessman with a track record of getting things done where others failed. Career politicians care less about failure than the image the voters perceive, so they posture- while Trump tended to gather facts and decide on an action; a bit more time consuming.. Voters (and the curious observer) measure what others do with their own yardstick- and the limitations that come from using hindsight based on fragments of information. This is kind of like what's known as micro-management, where people think you should have done what they think you should have done after the fact, despite their lacking the knowledge and ability to do the job you do.

    The people who blame Trump for this are generally the same people who called the rioters who burned cities "mostly peaceful protestors", who held back police... who bailed out those arrested, who worked to drop prosecutions, and yet encouraged more "peaceful protests" around the country. The same people actually wanted the Jan 6th demonstration to turn into a riot they could say Trump created.

    We're having a hard time getting people to maintain a realistic perspective, and to prioritize the most important things over the least. Turmoil is being promoted by unscrupulous people, and the Jan 6th situation is all about that.
     
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    I notice that people continually deflect from the question I posted in the OP. Do you have an answer to it or not? You seem to be kind of saying "Well, he didn't have much influence over them". I don't think that's a defensible position given they were chanting "Fight for Trump" and reading his tweets over megaphone.
     
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