Why do so many people blindly believe the US claims that Russia hacked the election?

Given the consequences involved, and ramifications, no time for secrecy, but evidence to support what is claimed. As JFK did in the crisis he oversaw with the USSR. The total lack of evidence looks suspect, especially when most people know intel lies as a profession, to congress, and spies on its own oversight committee. Just being rational here.

 

PLEASE EVERYONE WATCH THIS VIDEO! MAYBE IT WILL TEACH YOU SOMETHING ABOUT OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES!

https://twitter.com/bullshit_hero/status/1019215176782893057

 

You should ignore anything that is not supported by hard, verifiable evidence. You know, like you have to do when seeking the truth in a jury trial. What trump says, what putin says, what intel says is meaningless unless evidence is given to back it up. This is how things are supposed to work in any system driven by seriousness and intelligence, logic, rationality, reason. Anything other than that is BS. And muddies up the waters.

 

Yeah, they were right in 2003... not much since then is the point.

 

Got to love it when a post begins and ends with fallacy.

 

They were right in 2003? No they were not. It was a lie.

 

Well, even in a jury trial, you don't rely on hard evidence.
I think it is reasonable to accept that information can be classified.
I also think it is reasonable to rely on specialists to interpret that information.
At the very least, the overwhelming consensus by the intel community is much better evidence than anything trump and putin says.
At the very least, all of Muller's indictments are evidence.
Nobody is saying go to war with russia, just that reasonably the information shows that we have every reason to suspect russia, and should act as if.

 

I was referring to vips

 

You're citing and believing the RUSSIAN TIMES for "truth" about Russian interference in the election over the consensus of the US intel agency?

Folks, it doesn't get more classic than this.

 

This is fallacy. Just because someone lies does not make everything they say a lie.

I don't know about that? What level is our intelligence community at ? By your logic .. if a person/agency lies at all .. we are to ignore everything that comes out of that agency.

 

You accepting the RUSSIAN TIMES as truth over the consensus findings and conclusions of the entire US intel community?

More conservative "patriots" show their true colors.

 

You're accepting the RUSSIAN TIMES as truth over the consensus findings and conclusions of the entire US intel community?

 

If you know anything about RT and RT america, is that there are actually very good journalists there, that do very good work like recently deceased Ed Schultz, plus there have been numerous cases of journalists that have worked for RT and were able to criticize Russian govt like Abby Martin.

The fact you call William Binney just a 'guy' is laughable. He is going on the one network which will actually give him a voice to express his conclusions. He is a former high placed NSA official with over 30 years of experience. He isn't just a 'regular guy'.

NEWSFLASH US INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES HAVE LIED US INTO ALL WARS AND LIE TO US ALL THE TIME

 

You're accepting the RUSSIAN TIMES as truth over the consensus findings and conclusions of the entire US intel community?

Another conservative "patriot" shows his true colors.

 

Human nature is such that it is easier to believe someone else is wrong than you are.

If you say Trump can't win, and then he does, it is easier to believe that the result is wrong than you are.
Coming to terms with your own stupidity is harder for some than others.


The bigger the deal you made about being right, the harder it is to accept when you are not.


I think it is closer to the truth to say that "no one believes this".
But they believe there is a chance they can reverse the results of the election in their favour, and/or manipulate the results of the next one by casting aspersions on their rivals.

It's basically just a cheap shot from some sore losers.

 

Funny. "Treasonous" is what came to my mind. I'm sure it fits better.

 

I don't believe Russia or Putin, but nor do I believe the US. It's sad that you believe the US intel so blindly, when they LIE.

 

There was no "overwhelming consensus" in the intelligence community. That is another often told lie. A lie repeated by various representatives of our "lack of intelligence community".

http://jackmatlock.com/2018/06/musi...unity-russian-interference-and-due-diligence/

and this guy is not the only one that has said this.

 

No, but in both of their cases, we know that a lie is as likely as the truth, and with anything that affects them, they for sure will lie. In other words, for trump at least, there is no example of a statement made that is anything other than completely self serving, and many many many that are self serving in a way that is completely self serving. So, it is at the level of essentially 0 credibility.

No, obviously there have been plenty of lies, and plenty of missteps. I'd put the credibility off the top of my head at maybe 60%-70%. Anything less than that, and we probably couldn't function as a country.

 

You're accepting the RUSSIAN TIMES as truth over the consensus findings and conclusions of the entire US intel community?

Another conservative "patriot" shows his true colors.

 

https://twitter.com/bullshit_hero/status/1019215176782893057

 

And your proof they lied is because an RT guy said so.

Well done, comrade.

I'm having deja vu from the election. We had folks posting stuff from RT and other Russian sources here all the time.

 

So, that's an opinion piece by a russophile. That being said, all he offers is that parts of the report are (only in his estimation) unorthodox. But, the report itself is clear. And the idea that maybe some of the agents disagree isn't very relevant.

 

Man it's like talking to a brick wall. William Binney is not an RT guy, he is former highly placed NSA official with over 30 years of experience working in the NSA. He and VIPS (all people that have worked in US intelligence before) have concluded that the Russian hack did not occur, as according to them the download was local.

Once again:

 

Oh wait, I forgot.



These are the people you trust?