Why Do Some People Say The Government Shouldn't Expand?

When you involve the good of society in political establishments like various departments or agencies the good of society doesn't even end up on the short list of priorities.

 

I see. You're bitter because I exposed your identity.

I stand by my claim.

akphidelt2007 = Bored Dead = TrueUlititarian = NothingSacred is the same person and the same troll.

I continue to post it until any mods would notice and take action with you.

No normal person would need that many ghost names on one forum.

 

As they systematically took the land away from the Indains......

When it comes to stealing, the government is highly efficient. Just look how they raid the social security fund over the years. Some day someone will take all of those "IOU's" and start a nice camp fire.

 

I never said I wanted to tax the rich, I said that was the equivalent of printing dollars, that is bad!

 

You haven't denounced being a troll. And you sure as hell haven't provided any evidence for you claim I'm one of those people.

You only think we're the same people because you think we are all pro-government. I'm not pro-government, I think most government expansions creates waste with the added bureaucracy. But I also believe that some expansions are worth that waste. So I'm basically neutral, not pro-government.

 

What nonsense. The govt funds nothing. The govt takes my money puts a bunch of it in their own pocket then spends the rest(along with a bunch more printed and borrowed money) hiring political pals to do the work. The left makes it sound like govt workers get together and pool their money and then go out and build us a bridge. If you drive by a bunch of guys building a bridge you can be sure that if there is a govt employee there he will be the one in a shirt and tie standing around looking important.

The govt doesn't create wealth they take it from me.

 

No, a consumption tax is a fair plan. What they are proposing is just a convoluted means to continue to support ill advised programs and empire building across the globe.

 

You need evidence to support your claim that the government pockets the money.

 

Why Do Some People Say The Government Shouldn't Expand?



....any other silly questions? The Parasite has been expanding for the last 100 years.....hence our Massive (D)ebt, (D)eficit, and Economy to Nowhere.
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The deficit is caused by poor management of government, not an over-expanded government.

 

I don't have the motivation to look it up for you but you can probably get some figures on things like federal payroll and congressional "earmarks."

 

The short answer is that people would rather adhere to dogma than weigh the pros and cons of an action.

I view government and regulations in general the same way I view guns. They aren't inherently good or evil -- they are merely dependent on how they are used.

Some government makes sense. Some regulation makes sense.

When the government expanded to protect voting rights in certain vulnerable areas, that was necessary for equality. When it expanded with the formation of the Dept. of Homeland Security, it was mostly a waste of money.

Regulation is the same. Requiring certain standards in food sanitation and air and water quality is necessary. Requiring every pool to have a mechanical lift for handicapped people is just excessive.

So, it's a balance really. An expansion of government isn't guaranteed to be a waste, but it's not guaranteed to serve its intended purpose either.

 

Good post. It's crazy to say we don't need government, we do. But government must be limited. Trouble is, to many think government is the answer to all our problems. They are the answer to many, but they can also be the cause of many problems. I think I have pointed that out many times.

 

Basically. For example, Norway has a low public debt to GDP ratio despite having a government that is large in proportion to its population.

 

Poor management = expanded beyond constitutional aims

 

I guess every Statist Government in World History just happened to have poor management.......

.......clearly 5 trillion of government for a 15 trillin dollar economy isnt over-expanded government.
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I don't think he was implying our government had good management.

 

a lot of that debt is the public's, as well as for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the bush tax cuts, not over expansion of government.

 

I would hope not. It's mostly our government's fault for the shape we're in.

 

Right.....he was just implying that a bloated wasteful government should expand.
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So what would the (D)ebt be without the Wars and Bush Tax Cuts?

Federal Tax Revenue After The Bush Tax Cuts

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We shouldnt expand because we are 15 trillion in debt and can only rob our citizens of more money to expand. Doesnt sound very promising. But, we will expand and rob our citizens blind to do so! All in the name of freedom baby~~!

 

My lord, a bit naive no? Run fairly well? Fedex and UPS subcontract with the PO because it allows them to shift costs to the PO and thus the taxpayers.
This govt is so easy to play for money. And they keep printing it!

 

In 2009 the top 1% of tax payers paid 36.73% of all income tax revenue recieved The Bottom 50% of taxpayers paid 3% of all income tax revenue recieved. Yep them rich folk sure are skating by.

Further The post Office is required by congress to:
A. Fully fund it's pension and health insurance fund.
B. Deliver on saturdays
C.Keep open rural post offices that serve a mere handful of people.

Which of these do you think they should stop?

By the way the people blocking B&C are the Postal workers union and the sycophants in the Democratic party because doing so would cost them both money.

We spent roughly 100 billion a year on the Iraq war. No small part of that money would have been spent in any case for things like military salaries, training, and maintenance whether we were in Iraq or not. As a percentage of our overall federal budget that is less than 1/2 a percent a year.

 

Let's me get this straight. You want the government to have a limited role in our lives yet at the same time you want the government to hold your hand on every step of your life when it comes to economic?

Regarding bailouts for banks and US automakers, your position has been proven wrong a million times, if you want to go that route again, I can certainly slap you another round for fun.