Why do women kill their own children, unborn or otherwise?

On what basis do you equate abortion with "killing your child"? There is no scientific basis for it. World renowned scientists have said as much. The brilliant biologist/astronomer Carl Sagan wrote that the fetus at 30 weeks begins to develop brain waves with regular patterns and "If we are forced to choose a developmental criterion, then this is where we draw the line: when the beginning of characteristically human thinking becomes barely possible."

Pulitzer prize winning embryologist Lewis Wolpert said in a lecture to students,

Furthermore, your assertion is not even a biblical teaching, according to most Christian theologians. So what is the basis of your assertion, other than the religious/political agenda of America's religious patriarchy?

I didn't say lack of self control was commendable. I said it is not a new phenomenon as a result of "progressivism."

Do you have children?

 

you have a responsibility to be more informed if you are going to be discussing issues like this and maligning women all the time.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/police-courts/police-blotter/article690387.ece

http://www.lifenews.com/2011/08/04/west-virginia-man-assaults-girlfriend-after-abortion-refusal/

 

That is a nonsensical threshold cooked up by social engineers. Arbitrary thresholds (anything other than the indisputable beginning of human life, conception) cannot be logically supported in the abortion debate.

As I have been told by a pinhead abortion supporter here on the board, an Embryologist is not a subject matter expert!

 

You are going to have to provide some basis for your demonization of your oppoosition in the debate, otherwise others will discover what I already know. That you are in WAAAAY over your head and have nothing to contribute.


I never said these things didn't happen. The first poster asked if I had heard of any instances and I had not! Then I asked for some links, which you and others so nicely provided.

So keep[ on blowing bile out of your fingers if you must, but I am quite well informed.

BTW Happy New Year you ray of sweet sunshine you!

 

the foetus can not feel pain until 24 weeks,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10403496

and despite advances in medicine increasing the likelihood of survival for deliveries as early as 24 weeks, there has been no significant change if the survival rate prior to 23 weeks.

as the vast majority of abortions are performed in the first trimester, it is ridiculous to talk about "killing children" when referring to abortions.

 

This calls for a HEARTY SO WHAT?

 

Children are not killed unless they can feel pain? SO a sedated child who dies is not dead?

 

scuse me sweetie - it is you who is in way over your head.

all you have to inform you on this issue is your personal opinion, which from the tone of many of your posts, is based on a deep underlying misogyny.

you have repeatedly referred to women pejotaively, which indicates where you are coming from.

the truth is that it is NOT YOUR DECISION what any woman does with her body, and you are not privy to the reasons behind her decision.

as I have made it clear on numerous occasions this is not an easy decision for a woman, and you are not in any position to judge.

How are you willing to contribute to the welfare of the children you would have these women give birth to?

it would cost a lot to put your money where your mouth is.

when you can do that, you might have some credibility.

why should people have to find links for you? it was clear that you didn;t believe and were too lazy to go search out the facts for yourself.

talk about bile.

 

Aw punkin, its cute that you think so, but It is definitely you sugarlips.

We can plainly see this is a lie as it does not quote a single example. Come back when you aren't lying!

Well you can have that idiotic opinion if you wish, but homicides are clearly societies business and not a private matter between the killer and the victim.

You have no standing to make such a statement about ALL women everywhere. I am sure there are women who decide to abort flippantly, and there are responsible women who decide not to abort at all!

Why is her resopnsibility suddenly mine?

Not really, because I did nothing to cause her situation.

Funny you, talking about credibility.

If you don't want to back up your assertions, then just post BS and let us tell you what crap it is. Don't come back and act as if your unsubstatiated opinions mean something!

 

sweetie, anyone can do a search of your posts and see what kind of a man you are.

but if you want to interfere in the lives of others, then you should assist them with the consequences of the choice YOU FORCE THEM TO MAKE.

if you aren't prepared to put up, then shut up.

 

Lifers have been known to claim that a fertilised egg can feel pain.

 

ANY threshold is arbitrary, because the point at which one becomes a human being has never been established by consensus. The nonsensical "beginning of life, conception" was cooked up by the real social engineers, the Catholic hierarchy, and is problematic since life exists before conception.

So an embryologist (who disagrees with you) is not a subject matter expert, but YOU are...

 

actually ... the early catholics originally thought thaat life begins at quickening, when the foetus first begins to move in the womb.

the embryo inanimatus did not yet have a soul, and embryo animatus had a soul.

I am not sure when they changed their mind ... but it was most likely due to increased scientific knowledge.


which makes me wonder. I have seen some research on the morality of rats (yes, rats engage in moral behaviour) we understand now that birds are quite intelligent (even chickens can count), and I have seen a paper written on the experience of pain in fish.

my own observations are that animals are far more aware and sensitive than what we have generally believed, so I wonder when the catholic church (and the evangelical christians) are planning on outlawing the eating of all food products derived from animals?

 

I suppose it could be just a coincidence that the anti-choice view promotes
the subordination of women.

From Sacred Choices: The Right to Contraception and Abortion in Ten World Religions by Daniel Maguire:

 

lols I love it!

and it hits the nail on the head.

the best way to control women traditionally has been to keep them barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen

 

Feeling pain is irrelevant!

 

It actually does not. The life of the distinct new human being begins at conception.

Giftedone, one of your abortion promoter Ilk, is the one who said that Embryologists are not SMEs.

 

This is SOOOO typical. When it becomes clear that you simply cannot support your position on abortion premeditated homicide, you resort to trying to demonize those who oppose it.

 

I don't want women who don't want children to be pregnant. This is where your favorite lie is exposed. I want them NOT TO GET PREGNANT!!!!

BTW, which lie are you going with? That we want women to be pregnant? or that we don't want women to have sex?

You keep posting both!

 

Sorry, you can't deny your own actions. If pro-lifers really thought a fetus were a person, they would pursue policies to reduce the abortion rate instead of those that only punish women:

 

I don't see your answer, WHICH IS IT?

 

DO you really think posting abortion promotion propaganda will convince anyone that you are less of a liar?

 

Since the vast majority of respondents either don't understand or don't care about the OP, and since this has become yet another thread wherein the same old people argue over the same old crap, I request that a mod lock this thread.

 

Getting too close to the truth than abortion is horrific homicide eh?

 

Let me see if I understand this...you don't like this chart?