Why Finland has the best schools

You mean like the left's wet dream to instill common core across the country?

 

because the media say so? and they never lie?

 

Well a population with five and a half million where almost 33% attend some form of full time education and a migration population of a little under 22.000 Lemme know when Finland open their boarders and lets in a couple 20 million uneducated and a plethora of other migrants from all around the planet!

I'm sure if need be we could find a small town of around with 5.5 million people and compare their Children and education institutions to lil Ole Finland.

 

But the damage was done later, under the bush W.
From your article: "The reauthorization of ESEA by President George W. Bush was known as the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001."

"NCLB expanded the federal role in public education through further emphasis on annual testing, annual academic progress, report cards, and teacher qualifications, as well as significant changes in funding." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act

 

Your blanket rejection of media as the answer to everything you don't like is silly.

 

Thanks for the invitation, but it really wasn't necessary.

Your post, like mine, merely stated unsubstantiated, unsupported opinion. I could say the opposite with exactly as much authority.

 

"The Common Core State Standards Initiative is an educational initiative in the United States that details what K–12 students should know in English language arts and mathematics at the end of each grade. The initiative is sponsored by the National Governors Association (NGA) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO) and seeks to establish consistent educational standards across the states as well as ensure that students graduating from high school are prepared to enter credit-bearing courses at two- or four-year college programs or to enter the workforce."

"Kentucky was the first to implement the Common Core State Standards, and local school districts began offering new math and English curricula based on the standard in August 2010. In 2013, Time magazine reported that the high school graduation rate had increased from 80 percent in 2010 to 86 percent in 2013, test scores went up 2 percentage points in the second year of using the Common Core test, and the percentage of students considered to be ready for college or a career, based on a battery of assessments, went up from 34 percent in 2010 to 54 percent in 2013."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Core_State_Standards_Initiative

But certainly no person trained and experienced in education should ever have anything to do with developing or planning improvements in education! What we most need is a person with no experience or training at all in eduction to lead the Department of Education.

 

They have good schools because they are a homogenous population that doesn't have to slow down their curriculum for others.

 

And culture springs from the economic base and rises to reflect and support that base. Change the economic base and the culture will change. Our degenerating culture reflects the degeneration of the capitalist system.

But I love how the right always rejects positive ideas and programs and strategies because they originate it "small, homogenous countries". American chauvinism at its best.

 

Indeed changing the economic base WOULD change the culture, but what does that have to do with the Finnish schooling system? You are making my argument for me/agreeing with me, and don't seem to be aware of that reality. The primary problem in Detroit Public Schools is cultural, NOT their curriculum.

You are acting as if I am wholly rejecting any idea from Finland, when in fact I very CLEARLY stated " I'm all for new ideas and perhaps there are some good ideas in the Finnish system worth contemplating, but lets not point to aggregate results from two entirely different populations, and pretend like we are comparing apples to apples, because we are not."

 

I don't reject the ideas, I just don't think they are applicable to large, diverse countries.

I would love the US to become smaller and more homogeneous so these ideas would work.

Build the wall! Ban Muslims!

 

Because you specifically said this:

 

And those questions were in response to yet another post directed at our African American population, obviously.

 

Ah, but the Fins do slow down their curriculum, that's the point.

 

We can't alter our education system because we have immigrants? What are you talking about?

 

This isn't happening in Finland:

 

Good example of why we need to change our system.

 

We were taking standardized test when I was in grade school in the 1950's, we used the California Achievement test in my Alabama schools.

 

Stack the the Finland school lunch up next to Michelle Obamas horrible platters and you'll feel like you're eating like a king.

 

I don't remember taking any test along those lines in grade school, Massachusetts, and I was born in 1944.

 

I didn't see the Democrats trying to correct it and as far as one-size-fits-all........Common Core ring a bell? The federal government from both sides have been beating the crap out of our schools for decades.

You're also wrong about the unions. If we really were concerned with our kids education and feel that a combination of education and play is the best approach, start your own school and teach that way so people can send their kids........oh wait you can't. Anytime people start the talk of being able to use the tax money they pay to send their kids to a school that they want it is shutdown.....by whom do you ask......well it's the Democrats and the teachers unions.

The teachers union only care about the power they have. If they truly cared about educating the children of America they would back a system that allows a parent to send their child to the best school in the area. If 1000s of private schools opened teachers wouldn't lose their jobs they would just be in the private sector, which is Union free, which means they have no power.....and they can't have that.

 

Obviously if we changed our system, none of the road blocks you're pointing to would apply.

 

Demographics

 

Black culture is widely different.

And before I'm called racist, I have two daughters that are black.

 

This is a ridiculous comparison.

Take the 5 million who live on the north and west Chicago suburbs. Bet they test ass high or higher than Finnish students.

The problem here isn't the education system in and of itself, but the cultural hurdles.