Why Full Disclosure of Existance of E.T.'s is a Good Thing.

Why do that they have to be in the last year? Why such an arbitrary date?

 

Perhaps nothing more than big dreams inspired by JFK. I think all of or at least most of us when we heard his speech about going to the moon before the end of the decade we had these fancy dreams. The moon by 1970, a base on the moon by 1980, missions to Mars by 1990 and on out of the solar system awhile later. True space exploration. Maybe we as kids watched too many Flash Gordon's, Rocky Jones, even Space Angel cartoons not to mention Star Trek. The original.

As a kid of the 1950's our minds were filled with flying cars and space travel beyond the stars. Hopes and dreams that all seemed possible at the time. Living in the Jetson's world, the cartoon. All dashed.

 

Manned Space Missions have been more about prestige than science.

Until better and faster propulsion systems ae developed and we are a long ways away from Warping or Folding Space-Time....we should leave it up to Robotics.

AboveAlpha

 

Why do we explore space? The same reason.

 

A moon base by 1980 is an absurd idea unless you just want a lunar version of the ISS that would be a money sink with no real discernible value.

 

Yeah, not remotely the same. Sending a probe a couple AU away is nothing like sending something light years away.

 

That isn't a valid argument at all. For it assumes that we understand everything about how the universe works, and that there will be no other discoveries, some of which might do to classical physics what quantum mechanics did to the field of physics.

Remember, a sufficiently advanced technology is indistinquishable from magic. And consider that engine that nasa tested, found to work, while it is breaking the 2nd law of thermodynamics, which science says cannot be broken. We do not understand what is going on with this engine yet. So, a little less certainty has a place in science and understanding.


Perhaps these things people see are from another dimension? But one thing is for certain. I spent 70 odd years never seeing anything that could be called a UFO. Until last year. And what I saw was around 1/8 a mile away, a couple hundred feet above the tree tops, and was larger than an aircraft carrier, silent, with red lights that looked like rubies that were lit from within. I watched it for quite sometime, before it slowly moved south, over a forest and vanished from sight.

NOW, if we have craft that are this size, that move silently, then that is what I saw. But why would in be where I live? What would be the purpose? And why was it absent of the lights mandated by federal law for all aircraft?

When you see one of these things, suddenly you are in the camp of the nutters. But seeing one turns most people into considering that we might not know, what we think we know about this universe.

 

As a species, man has yet to evolve out of his own self centered stupidity. We have not evolved psychologically in the entire history of homo sapiens. We are a very war mongering species, and we (*)(*)(*)(*) in in our own beds, even as we know we lived in a closed system, with life being just a very thin layer on a planet of molten rock and metal with events that have almost taken out all of life on this earth

If there is intelligent life in this universe, intelligent enough to actually make it here, the fact that humanity is still so primitive psychologically would be enough for other intelligent beings to leave us alone. That we have not been conquered(if they are actually visiting here) intimates that they are not like we are. Much more evolved at least psychologically. Perhaps even higher spiritual beings too.

In so far as the OP, it has been written in the past by some people that humanity would have a hard time with any REVEAL. I have a hard time believing that though. We are a species that can adapt, without imploding. And actually I feel it might actually help in our psychological evolution as a species, if we are exposed to a much higher lifeform that has grown out of our own psychological paradigm, which creates all of the problems humanity has faced, the rich, the poor, the wars, the violence, the refusal to live in harmony with the ecosystem that sustains us.

While we are intelligent technologically, and our scientific knowledge has increased exponentially over the last hundred years or so, we are far from intelligent in other areas. Like having the intelligence to live with others, without indulging in perpetual war for perpetual peace. So when we advance technologically, we always use that to kill other humans quicker, faster, and in greater and greater numbers. And this is not intelligence at all. It is a great lack of real intelligence, and so you are dead right when you speak of the lack of intelligence when it comes to homo sapiens sapiens.

We actually have the science and the technology today, to bring worldwide prosperity to all of humanity. What keeps that from happening? The lack of the other kind of intelligence, that is in the realm of the psychological. And that is what we have not evolved out of, yet. But if we survive as a species, perhaps we will eventually evolve out of this self centered paradigm that will not allow worldwide prosperity and peace on earth. For that is currently the hold up. We have not always been in the position we are today with science and technology to bring this about.

 

LOL. Good one. Yet those illegals you speak of do not bring us anything but cheap labor for our greedy businessmen who are also socially irresponsible, which of course comes with greed.

But these other kinds of aliens would be so advanced that perhaps they would benefit humanity, and not be parasitic nor a target for our greedy corporations use and exploit as they tend to do as they chase more and more wealth.

 

Who was that scientist who said a few years ago that we now have the tech to take ET home? He actually said that, and he was not joking or so it is said.

 

Yet you are also speculating, right? As long as we understand there is speculation on both sides, then that dog will hunt.

 

It wasn't back then. I lived through it. Talk of a base on the moon started right after the first man set foot on it back in 1969. Everyone knew it couldn't be far away. There were even drawings of how it might look in different magazines. I was stationed in Bangkok in 1969 and as soon as Thai TV which was covering the lunar landing said they had landed, a bunch of us GI's ran outside to look at a bright full moon if I remember right.

We all had a "can do" attitude. We knew the moon base wasn't far behind and then a trip to Mars. Apparently it was all wishful thinking. But you would have had to live it to understand that at the time nothing seemed impossible.

 

You are quite closed minded about this subject...

Thank god the founders of QM were not so closed minded. LOL

To not be open to possibilities is hardly within the realm of intelligence. It lies instead within the realm of dogma, and assumptions.

I am always interested in the two polar areas involved in what we are discussing. There are those that will discount everything when it comes to ETs, and UFOs, and there are those that see an ET behind every tree. Both groups should be set aside, and discounted, for dogmatism has no place in serious enquiry, and neither does a closed mind. A closed mind can never discover anything new. For they already KNOW IT ALL, which is a very intellectually weak position to ever inhabit.

 

I don't remember. But if we had the technology back in 1969 with computers utilizing tubes instead of chips, rockets powerful enough back then to send a man to Mars, although in the Apollo Capsule he probably wouldn't make it alive. Think what we can do today or what we should be able to do. Bringing E.T. home, we should be able to do that.

 

Yeah, I lived it, and it was an intoxicating time to live in. That was a totally different America. But at least I can still remember it.

 

You know, that is so true. It was a very exciting time. Today's America sort of sucks, even with all its technological advances. Times have changed and I agree, today's America is nothing like it was back then.

 

Based on our knowledge yes. This would not be true of a species thousands or millions of years older than ours.

We know nothing of the universe, of that we can be sure. A species that is a few thousands years old knows nothing about the universe.

 

In agreement with everything you have stated here...it's just common sense. The only thing that I could possibly add is that a visit from Klaatu and Gort might do this planet and its inhabitants a world of good...

 

lol, drink less buddy, or some therapy if u don't do drugs

gl

 

We do have Stealth Blimps which are trinagular and capable of extreme velocities as they have a rideged exterior body and are massive.

Lockheed Martin is the designed of such craft and they exist at Groom Lake Facilities.

AboveAlpha

- - - Updated - - -

If you knew what it is I do or what I really am....you would be changing your pants right now.

AboveAlpha

 

depends if we find any loopholes..

be like asking how much energy to light up a room before we discovered LED lighting... we just don't know what we don't know

 

The Matter/Antimatter must occur in a Multiversal Cascade Reaction as there simply does not exist enough Antimatter in the Universe to Fold Space-Time in one Divergent Universal State of Reality more than 1 light year.

The Energy requirements require a Multiversal Cascade Reaction.

AboveAlpha

 

for a race that is thousands of years more advanced then us, who knows what would be needed, could be a scientific discovery we have not discovered yet that makes it much easier

I mean we just recently learned e=mc2 not to long ago

.

 

True.

But they exist....and have been visiting planet Earth for thousands of years.

I know just the smallest bit about such data...and I wish I did not.

AboveAlpha

 

Agree with the above. And I go back to the first space flights, was obsessed with the Mercury, the Gemini the Apollo programs. Read all the books, all the stories they were heroes and what the US did, and the Russians, was an amazing feat. And we learned alot and proved a lot.

But what then.........what now. I use the one year because we are spending BILLIONS on manned space flight and if we aren't getting regular routine noteworthy discoveries and technology advancements that are easy to point to then we aren't getting much bang for the buck. Oh I read that for the first time they are going to grow some vegetables in space so they can eat fresh vegetables. WOW.

What has been transferable to earth usage?

Robotics is the way to go, look at the discoveries our machines have made and it's LOTS cheaper and LOTS safer and doable now. That is where we should spend money until someone comes up with a list of VERY important and very salient reasons to send people back to the Moon and then to Mars. Why on earth would we want to settle on Mars, we've got plenty of barren desert space here on Earth.