Why Full Disclosure of Existance of E.T.'s is a Good Thing.

I do not disagree that they may have visited us in the past... the alternative is that we were more advanced in the past and have forgotten that part of history...

 

So if we HAD evolved through this physiological mire in which you claim we are embedded how exactly would that manifest itself differently from these other beings you are claiming are more advanced that us and how do you know they just didn't wipe every other intelligent being on their planet?

 

From what we currently know. It is possible that secret craft/technology is being tested. Or perhaps some special lightshow being tested that could fool other countries. Alien? Maybe... it can be as plausible. Heck, anything is possible, but don't jump to conclusions if you are willing to ask others to keep an open mind...

 

Yes, of course. That's also a strong possibility.

 

I think it was Ike or Truman who was denied access to Area 51. Who has the power to deny a president power.

 

If you had read on, that ice is made of gasses. Ever hear of dry ice, the solid form of carbon dioxide? You read ice and thought water. You should get educated before calling others ignorant. Point your finger and three more fingers are pointed back at you. Some comets do hold water as I later found out but not all ice is water.

 

Yet H2O is a common element found in Comets among other bodies in the solar system. For a space faring race, it is more efficient to gather relatively easy to acquire comets or mine moons than to bring water up from the deep gravity well of a planet like Earth.

 

That would be highly unlikely.

If we were more advanced in the past there would be evidence to show this.

Now there may have been over time methods of molding stone and carving stone in such detail such as the face Ramses.

From a source..... I took the photograph of Ramses and laid a grid over it. Of course, my first task was to establish the size and number of the cells used in the grid. I assumed that the features of the face would lead me to the answer, and studied which features were most prominent. After musing over this puzzle for a while, I took a chance on a grid that was based on the dimensions of the mouth. It seemed to me that the mouth had something to tell us due to its unnaturally upturned shape, so I placed a grid with cell dimensions that were the same height and half the width of the dimensions of the mouth. It was then a simple matter to generate circles based on the geometry of the facial features. I didn’t expect, though, that they would line up with grid lines in so many locations. In fact, I was astounded by this discovery. Going through my mind was: “Okay—now when does this cease to be a coincidence and become a reflection of truth?”

Plumbing the grid for further information, I discovered that Ramses’ mouth had the same proportions as a classic 3-4-5 right triangle. The idea that the ancient Egyptians had known about the Pythagorean triangle before Pythagoras, and they may have even taught Pythagoras its concepts, has been discussed by scholars, though not without controversy. Ramses presented me with a grid based on the Pythagorean triangle, whether it was the ancient Egyptians’ intentions or not. As we can see in figure 5, the Pythagorean grid allows us to analyze the face as it has never been analyzed before.

LINK....http://www.gizapower.com/LoTeAnArticle.htm

So they were capable of many amazing things.

But they were not even close to our level of technology.

AboveAlpha

 

Area 51 or the Groom Lake Facility was not yet even discovered.


CIAHomeCamerasArea 51 revealed by U.S. government as spy plane's home

Mark Hachman | [MENTION=26]MarkH[/MENTION]achman
Senior Editor, PCWorld Aug 16, 2013 8:40 AM
e-mailprintArea 51 has been firmly embedded in American lore, often as the home of little green men secreted away in the Nevada desert. Now, the U.S. government has acknowledeged the existence of the site in a history of the Lockheed CL-282, also known as the U-2 spy plane.

In response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed in 2002, George Washington University’s National Security Archive has published the CIA-authored report, The Central Intelligence Agency and Overhead Reconnaissance: The U-2 and Oxcart Programs, to its site, complete with a full torrent of the document to minimize the load on its servers.


The report, authored in 1992, was originally classified as “secret,” but was declassified with redactions in 1998. Secreted away within those redactions were the references to Area 51, the site also known as “Groom Lake” in the Nevada desert. Those redactions were almost all eliminated in June; the university then published the report.

Jarnot.comA Google Earth shot of Area 51
Following World War II, the government's goal was to keep tabs on known and potentially hostile countries, with airborne surveillance seen as a means with great potential. The government also believed that a plane flying above 65,000 feet would evade the early-warning radars used by Russia and other hostile nations, and set out to develop a plane to do just that: the Lockheed CL-282 , which was renamed the U-2 in July 1955, according to the report.

The U-2 was fitted with a camera sensitive enough that it could take high-resolution photos even at those high altitudes. The A1 camera, as it was known, would take continuous, horizon-to-horizon photos of the ground beneath the aircraft.

Subequent “B” and “C” camera revisions were actually developed using the first instances of “ray-tracing,” where the movement of light through the camera’s lens was simulated via an IBM card-programmed calculator at nearby Boston University, according to the report.

CIAThe CIA report includes this barely-legible picture of the Groom Lake facility.
Unfortunately, the government also needed a site to build and test the aircraft, which was how Area 51 came to be. According to the report:

“As work progressed in California on the airframe, in Connecticut on the engines, and in Boston on the camera system, the top officials of the Development Projects Staff flew to California and Nevada to search for a site where the aircraft could be tested safely and secretly,” the report says.

“On 12 April 1955, Richard Bissell and Col. Osmund Ritland (the senior Air Force officer on the project staff) flew over Nevada with Kelly Johnson in a small Beechcraft plane piloted by Lockheed’s chief test pilot, Tony LeVier,” the report added. “They spotted what appeared to be an airstrip by a salt flat known as Groom Lake, near the northeast corner of the Atomic Energy Commission’s (AEC) Nevada Proving Ground."

The report continued: "After debating about landing on the old airstrip, LeVier set the plane down on the lakebed, and all four walked over to examine the strip. The facility had been used during World War II as an aerial gunnery range for Army Air Corps pilots. From the air the strip appeared to be paved, but on closer inspection it turned out to have originally been fashioned from compacted earth that had turned into ankle-deep dust after more than a decade of disuse. If LeVier had attempted to land on the airstrip, the plane would probably have nosed over when the wheels sank into the loose soil, killing or injuring all of the key figures in the project.”

To make the site more attractive, Clarence “Kelly” Johnson, the leader of the Lockheed “Ckunk Works,” referred to the location as “Paradise Ranch”. Area 51 was simply the map designation.

A separate note by British author Chris Pocock notes that much of the information found in the report was already known, either by other, declassified documents, interviews with personnel, or just good old-fashioned legwork. One tool, the Declassification Engine, was released this May, with the hope that it will eventually become a shared workspace of sorts to peirce the veil of government secrecy.

Of course, since then, the mystery of sites like Area 51 have diminished somewhat, thanks to leaks, as well as to satellite overflights of virtually the entire world, via sites like Google Maps. But at a time when the world is being rocked by other reports of U.S. spying, it’s interesting to see what the government was up to more than fifty years ago.

LINK....http://www.pcworld.com/article/2046827/area-51-revealed-by-u-s-government-as-spy-planes-home.html

IKE was instrumental in developing a Government Agency that has only one purpose and Truman asked him to develop it.

Bush Sr. is the ONLY OTHER PRESIDENT besides Truman and Ike to know all there was to know about E.T.

Such data is NEED TO KNOW INFORMATION ONLY!!!

A standing President of the United States woud only be informed of such things if there was a NEED TO KNOW.

I once had the unfortunate experience of having a need to know.

I wish I never knew.

Now I only know the tiniest amount of the reality and what I know is enough to shake anyone to their very core.

And I am extremely well trained and jaded to just about everything....EXCEPT THIS.

AboveAlpha

 

Let me put it to you this way.

My Mother was/is a..."CIVILIAN"....in the way the quotes denote.

My Father was/is MILITARY.

My Mom's job was to make sure the massive SAC Base in Western Massachusetts where I lived kept track of it's NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

Back then there were a huge numbers of B-52's loaded with nukes just waiting for the word as they sat on the tarmac.

Back then once in the morning and once at night a wing of B-52's FULLY LOADED WITH NUKES....would fly North and turn around at the Pole and head back to base.

I grew up on this base...I was a kid and the General LOVED MY A$$!!

I knew every crew...every mechanic...every guard....everyone!!

I grew up understanding and knowing the distances and I have watched and have been trained to watch and memorize the smallest of details.

I have seen these Orbs before.....and I have talked to others who used to fly out of such bases that have seen them as well.

They almost BURN like a Road Flare and are Bright Orange.

Approx. 7 Meter in Diameter....can move from a dead stop to up to approx. 3 to 5 Thousand MPH.

Can stop with no issues of inertia.

I have seen them many times and if you run a search you will find that they tend to observe what goes on at Nuclear Bases.

AboveAlpha

 

agree unless it was a long long long time ago..... only thing left would be stone if that were the case

 

I remember when the first military flares were "UFO'S".

I remember when the talk of flying saucers were "UFO'S"

I remember reading that the USA obtained/enslaved the Nazi scientists that were enslaved without killing them so they would produce technology for us.

Everything UFO eventually turns out to be Military. It's unidentified for a reason.

Recap to decades ago, FLARES ARE NOT UFO'S.

 

Flares to not hover without moving for minutes then accelerate instantly to 3000 mph and stop instantly without decelleration then take off again.

I am well aware what FLARES look like.

I have been around U.S. Air Force operations my entire life since I was a kid and I still am.

It is a fact that many supposed Alien Craft are actually Highly Advanced U.S. Aircraft.

But not all of them are and when you take the time to read NASA Astronaut testimony and anyone can watch Video's of Gordon Cooper, Edgar Mitchele, Buzz Aldrin....and many others...discuss the Alien Craft they have seen.....such Astronaut's have NOTHING TO GAIN AND EVERYTHING TO LOSE by discussing such things!!!

They usually wait till they believe they only have a short time left to live and then they discuss what they have seen.

Go ahead and watch the video's of NASA ASTRONAUT'S DISCUSSING THEIR ENCOUNTER'S WITH ALIEN CRAFT!!!

Then try to tell me they saw flares! LOL!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Sure, I understand.... but if "aliens" could have the tech, then we could potentially have the tech - either something we discover, or something we find and build on....

 

The SMOKING GUN....and you can find this running an internet search....are letters discovered in a New Mexico Dept. of Agriculture File Storage Building a while back when some guy was looking for data as far as rain fall and crops in New Mexico back in the 40's stumbled upon physical paper letters that were buried there purposely when the Freedom of Information Act kicked in.

See they scrubbed all Computer Storage and files specific to the Roswell incident but they forgot about the old paper files so they buried it in with old paper files in the New Mexico Deapt. of Agriculture.

This guy found letters from FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to General Curtis LeMay....the future founder of SAC or Strategic Air Command and famous for coining the phrase...."BOMB THEM BACK TO THE STONE AGE."

Hoover wrote letters to General Curtis LeMay DEMANDING that he allowed FBI access to all data and physical evidence recovered from the alien crash site and this was all picked up and sent by the at the time ARMY AIR CORPS. to Wright Field in Ohio...which is now Wright Patterson AFB home of the USAF's REVERSE ENGINEERING DIVISION.

Hoover was livid and threatened LeMay as Hoover said this happened in New Mexico and not in another country thus it was the responsibility of the FBI.

LeMay wrote back there was no chance in HELL that Hoover or the FBI would be allowed access and to drop the matter.

Hoover persisted and even wrote to Ike and Truman until Truman told Hoover if he even mentioned the crash again he would be removed as FBI Director.

The letters are certified as real and were allowed to be copied as per the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT....so it's not like someone just made this up as the entire process and paperwork exists for this guy to get copies.

Google it and you will find this to be amazing.

AboveAlpha

 

Honestly, I'm no physician and in physics in school about 30 years ago, I was not the very well (because boring me due to lousy teacher). So I'm not able to go so deep into such things to rate this or that etc.
What I can only imagine in general is something about the fast developments in technique (due to physics at least) and as told: When we only compare the technical development during the last 100 years ... well what is when Alliens are about 300 years or more in advance?
They will be such superior in everything like we are in our own if we compare us of today with us of the time when George Washington fought Britain ... or even earlier to medieval age maybe?

P.S.

Of course I understand that an often told point is that physical laws here and there and that out of them is this and that impossible etc. Well ... really? What was our physical knowledge and what were our physical laws in 1915 in comparison to 2015? A lot of differences and new knowledge in meantime, isn't it?
So what if Alliens have knowledge what we maybe have in year 2215?

 

I said water was a possibility as to why they're here, because they are here. UFOs have often been seen skimming across a lake and seeming to gather water.

Comets are cosmic snowballs of frozen gases, rock and dust.
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/profile.cfm?Object=Comets
A comet is an icy small Solar System body that, when passing close to the Sun, heats up and begins to outgas,
Outgassing (sometimes called offgassing, particularly when in reference to indoor air quality) is the release of a gas that was dissolved, trapped, frozen or absorbed in some material.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet

 

I can appreciate optimism, but the odds are that if aliens came here they would be doing so because they needed something, and that wouldn't be us, so more than likely they would simply eliminate us...

 

It might be us - as in a work force. Physically they look weak. Or they may have cloned themselves too many times and need a new biological form.

 

AboveAlpha can you clarify what you mean when you say that some people can handle it, but only to a point?

 

This is something your can Google or run a search for on the Internet and I will tell you what key search words to use.

NASA has had in the past two sides to it.

There was the Manned Mission Side....which we have now suncontracted out to CIVILIAN CONTRACTORS.

Then there is the ROBOTIC SPACE PROBES AND TELESCOPES as NASA has been RETASKED to send Interplanetary Probes and Rovers to survey Planets, Asteroids, Moons, Comet's and even our Sun as well as ORT CLOUD BODIES such as Pluto.

The PURPOSE of retasking NASA is that it is cheaper, easier and much more effective to use Robotic Probes, Rovers, Orbital Surveyors....etc....to allow us to get the data and pure science as well as Orbiting Surveyors are able to use Deep Ground Penetrating Radar's and MASS SPECTROMETERS....as well as Magnotometers and Lasers and a host of other things to learn what certain Planet's, Asteroids, Comet's, Ort Cloud Bodies...etc...are made of for future use and mining.

AboveAlpha....continued....

 

That very well could have been what I spotted if we have such huge craft that are silent. I wonder what they are used for, being so HUGE? Some kinda transport craft?

 

I think it is reasonable to think that if an intelligent life form was advanced enough to get here, that this means they learned to not destroy their own civilization as they were advancing technologically. The jury is still out on homo sapiens sapiens. We might not make it. So, if they at one time had our same nature, which has been one of perpetual war for thousands of years, they must have evolved psychologically out of it, perhaps tapping into an intelligence that is not technological in nature. For think about it. We are the only life that doesn't live in harmony with its environment, and that has psychological reasons, which of course lies in our duality in consciousness. With our environment being the planet and its eco systems but also other human beings. So the dual nature of our perceived consciousness is what creates perpetual war as well as all conflicts ones has seen in various societies between people. And this may some something that intelligence can eventually see and allow us to evolve out of it, reject it.

If we have been visited by beings for thousands of years as some people think, the fact that we have not been conquered and enslaved, or used as a resource could very well mean that these advanced being are not like us at all. They may have never been like us, or being biological beings they may have been more like us psychologically with the strife and violence that is part of physical evolution, but were able to transcend it, due to intelligence evolving. For once you no longer need the struggle, the competition and violence in a primitive world, you evolve away from it.

Yeah, I watched my share of Star Trek long ago. LOL.

 

Continued........

Now here is something that will BLOW YOU AWAY!!!

Everyone thinks that Yuri Gagarin from the Soviet Union was the first man in Space right?

Everyone thinks that Alan B. Shepard from the U.S. was the second man in space and first American in Space...RIGHT???

Well guess what....it is highly possible that neither Yuri Gagarin or Allan Shepard were the first two men in space.


Read this!!!

Former NASA X-15 Pilots Awarded Astronaut Wingsby Robert Z. Pearlman | August 23, 2005 09:32am ET


The X-15 rocket-powered aircraft begins its climb after launch at the NASA Dryden Flight Research Center, California. Image
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Today at NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center in California astronaut wings will be awarded to the three civilian research pilots who flew the X-15 into space in the mid-1960s.

Between the years that NASA flew its first unmanned Mercury sub-orbital space flight and when its Apollo astronauts trained for their first mission to orbit the Moon, 12 test pilots flew the nation's first rocket plane to the edges of the atmosphere ... and beyond.

Of the dozen, eight of those pilots flew the experimental X-15 to altitudes above 264,000 feet--50 miles--a height recognized by the U.S. Air Force as being in space.

When it began in the early Fifties, the X-15 program was going to lead America into outer space. The pilots at Edwards Air Force would fly ever more powerful rocket planes faster and higher until, inevitably, they went into orbit. The X-15, an audacious airplane designed to fly at Mach 7, at a time when engineers were still struggling to make the X-planes behave at Mach 2, was going to be a big step toward space.

Instead, the three X-15 planes flew 199 times, reached 354,000 feet (67 miles), flew at Mach 6.7, provided invaluable research data for the Space Shuttle, and remained relatively unknown.

UNKNOWN!!!

UN....FREAKIN'....KNOWN!!!!

LINK....http://acepilots.com/planes/x15.html

It is highly possible that in an attempt to focus attention of the NASA's MERCURY PROGRAM which NASA had thought the Mercury Program would put an American in Space before the Soviets and Yuri Gagarin made it into space on April 12, 1961....and Allan Shepard made it into space on May 5, 1961....a difference of just 23 days!!

It is HIGHLY POSSIBLE that NASA PURPOSELY COVERED UP HIGHLY CLASSIFIED IN THE EXTREME HYPERSONIC X-15 FLIGHTS INTO SPACE BEFORE EITHER SHEPPARD OR GAGARIN HAD THEMSELVES MADE IT INTO SPACE!!!!

Of the eight, five pilots were employed by the Air Force and received their astronaut wings. The three others were NASA research pilots--William H. "Bill" Dana and the late John B. "Jack" McKay and Joseph A. Walker.

In a private ceremony, scheduled to take place Tuesday afternoon before an audience of 200 invited guests and NASA Dryden employees the three civilian pilots will at long last receive their wings. The event is expected to include presentations by Kent Rominger, NASA's Chief of the Astronaut Corps and by Johnny Armstrong, an X-15 test engineer and current Deputy Director of the Access to Space Office at the Air Force Flight Test Center, Edwards Air Force Base, Calif.

Among other guests expected to attend are several of the other X-15 test pilots, including Scott Crossfield and Joe Engle, who received USAF astronaut wings and flew the Space Shuttle as a NASA astronaut.

Unlike the Air Force wings, which are physically a metal pair of wings, the distinction that Dana and the families of McKay and Walker will accept is to be more ceremonial in nature. Each will receive a certificate, a Velcro-backed badge of the type NASA astronauts adorn on their flight suits, and the actual flight logs from their now recognized space flights.

The honor officially establishes Walker as only the 11th person to fly in space and the 7th American by his first wings-qualifying flight on January 17, 1963. McKay is the 26th space explorer (13th U.S. astronaut) by his flight on September 28, 1965. Dana ranks as the 35th human to leave Earth (and 21st American) by November 1, 1966.

Of the three, McKay broke the 50 mile barrier only once, Dana twice and Walker three times.

Two of Walker's fights also exceeded 328,000 feet or 62 miles altitude, the internationally accepted boundary of space set by the Federation Aeronautique Internationale.

In total, 13 of the 199 X-15 flights reached space. Aside from the six space flights achieved by NASA pilots, the seven others were flown by Air Force pilots Robert White, Robert Rushworth, Engle, William Knight and Michael J. Adams. Only three of the eight X-15 astronauts - White, Engle and Dana - are still living.

After flying the X-15 (including its last flight in October 196, Dana served as a research pilot for the Air Force's X-20 Dyna-Soar program. He led NASA's lifting body program during the late 1960s and 1970s. In 1993, Dana was named Chief Engineer at NASA Dryden until 1998 when he retired.

McKay joined NACA (National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics), NASA's predecessor, in 1951 as a test pilot for the X-1 and D-558 and served as a project pilot on the F-100, F-102, F-104, and F-107 test programs before he was assigned to the X-15. He was seriously injured when the X-15 he was piloting crashed in 1962. McKay's death on April 27, 1975, stemmed from liver damage suffered in the accident.

Walker's altitude record of 67.1 miles set on the third of his X-15 space flights went unbroken by any other rocket plane until the privately-funded SpaceShipOne exceeded 69 miles in October 2004.

Walker made the first test flight of the X-15 in 1960 and went on to fly a total of 24 times. After the X-15, he tested the "flying bedstead," the Lunar Landing Research Vehicle, in advance of training NASA's Apollo astronauts how to touchdown on the moon. Walker was killed on June 8, 1966, when the F-104 chase plane he was piloting collided with the XB-70 "Valkyrie" he was chasing.

The X-15 explored the realm of hypersonic flight during a nine year joint program between NASA, the U.S. Navy, the U.S. Air Force and North American. The X-15 was air launched from a B-52 aircraft before igniting its liquid-fuel rocket engine. In addition to setting altitude records, the experimental aircraft also achieved speed milestones in the Mach 4 to 6 range. The X-15 program is credited with contributing to the development of the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo spacecraft as well as NASA's Space Shuttle

LINK....http://www.space.com/1465-nasa-15-pilots-awarded-astronaut-wings.html

AboveAlpha Continued....

 

Now THINK ABOUT THIS!!!!!

At that time it was all COLD WAR.....EAST VS. WEST.....U.S. VS SOVIET UNION.....CAPITALISM VS. COMMUNISM....etc...etc...etc.

BUT....NASA waited until the year 2005.....TO GIVE X-15 PILOTS THEIR ASTRONAUT WINGS FOR FLYING INTO SPACE!!!

WHY?????

The X-15 Program began 60 YEARS AGO IN 1955!!!

X-15's were loaded under a B-52 and dropped as the X-15's Rocket Engine would begin it's burn bringing the X-15near Mach 7 Velocities and BRINGING THE PILOTS WITH THEM INTO SPACE!!!

From what I understand X-15 Pilots FLEW INTO SPACE IN JANUARY 18TH....FERBUARY 11TH.... AND MARCH 9TH ALL IN 1961!!!

And all of those 3 X-15 Missions reached altitudes of above 50 to 67 miles which is entering Outer Space!!!

WHY WOULD NASA COVER THIS UP????

Well 2 reasons.

Reason one....the U.S. Government and Propaganda Machine had spent MILLIONS OF DOLLARS advertizing the Mercury Astroauts as AMERICAN HERO'S and NASA fully expected to beat the Russian's into space but NASA miscalculated by 23 DAYS!!!

Reason two.....the stars and the Earth from over 50 miles up was not the ONLY THINGS our F-15 Pilot's saw and encountered in Space as there were 199 X-15 Flights and officially only 13 reached SPACE.....but of what I know the actual number that reached space is 39.

After what our 199 X-15 Missions and their Pilots encountered NASA developed a set of PROTOCOLS specific with how to report either CONTACT OR SIGHTING OF ALIEN CRAFT!!!

This set of Protocols was used for Space Shuttle Missions.

As the X-15 with 199 Missions really was the WORLDS FIRST SPACE SHUTTLE!!

AboveAlpha