Why Hillary Clinton is unfit to be President......

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by MMC, Apr 3, 2016.

?

Is Hillary Clinton Ethically Fit to be President....

  1. Yes

    28 vote(s)
    36.8%
  2. No

    44 vote(s)
    57.9%
  3. Not sure

    3 vote(s)
    3.9%
  4. The Logical Song

    1 vote(s)
    1.3%
  1. cupAsoup

    cupAsoup Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2015
    Messages:
    7,879
    Likes Received:
    899
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Sure, but the first time Jesus started talking about helping the sick and poor he'd (ironically) lose the bible thumper vote.
     
  2. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2014
    Messages:
    17,025
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I do my own research and come to my own conclusions. The MS Media can and at times do lead one astray. What the MS Media does not do is utilize party affiliation stats. The Republican base vote, the Democratic base vote, independents who lean Republican and independents who lean Democratic plus what I call pure or true independents with no leans.

    The thing is your whites, Hispanics, blacks and Asians are all included in those stats. Not broken down via the way the polls do it, but placed into larger groups. Then there is the migration from one group to another which makes these stats ever changing. The thing is utilizing these numbers using historical averages I come up with a popular vote of 49.5 for Hillary vs. 42.9 for Trump. Looking at RCP averages:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

    They have it 49.4 for Clinton, 38.6 Trump. In my opinion the polls are short changing Trump 4 points, not that it matters much. The bottom line for me is that unless Trump can come up with a way to win approximately 55% of the independent vote, he will lose in November. It doesn't matter to me if that independent is Hispanic, Black, White, male, female or is 65 or older or is 18. It is the total independent vote broken down to those who lean Republican, lean Democrat and are pure/true independents. Right now Trump is 15 points below the number of independents he must get to vote for him if he is to win. Remember Romney won the independent vote 51-48 and still lost the popular vote by 4 points.
     
  3. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I am looking at the issue of Hillary's negatives that will continue to Rise. The email scandal has branded her forever as a Liar. That's here in the US and Overseas.

    Right now its as that link says......They are deliberately running up Trumps negative with women. Even independents can see that.

    Then there is the actual debating of a Repub. Wherein her ass will get torn up over policies she flipped on. Then her incompetence with those overseas.

    The Benghazi Committees final report will come out and you can expect Hillary's negatives will be reinforced. Just with that issue alone.

    Now newspapers are all going after her over transparency, her judgement for her own self over accountability.

    Again.....she will reinforce that she cannot be trusted.
     
  4. TheGreatSatan

    TheGreatSatan Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2009
    Messages:
    21,269
    Likes Received:
    21,244
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ya, cause Republicans hate poor people... YAWN....
     
  5. Sundance

    Sundance Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2016
    Messages:
    6,712
    Likes Received:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    48
    The Dems would chase him away the second he mentioned God.
     
  6. Woolley

    Woolley Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2014
    Messages:
    4,134
    Likes Received:
    963
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And none of those fake controversies amounted to a hill of beans outside of the Rush Limbaugh show.
     
  7. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Right.....that why 68% of Independents find her untrustworthy. :roll:
     
  8. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Just some more of those unfavorables of Hillary that wasn't being focused on so much. :wink:


    In every region: In the East, 39 percent view her favorably; 53 percent view her unfavorably; in the Midwest, her ratings are 36 percent favorable to 62 percent unfavorable; in the South, 36 percent favorable to 60 percent unfavorable; in the West, 38 percent favorable to 54 percent unfavorable. Among women on the right and in the center:

    Her ratings among Republican women are 9 percent favorable to 90 percent unfavorable; among independent women, they are 24 percent favorable to 65 percent unfavorable; among conservative women, 10 percent favorable to 88 percent unfavorable; among moderate women, 42 percent favorable to 50 percent unfavorable.

    Among white and Hispanic women: Among white women, her ratings are 30 percent favorable to 65 percent unfavorable; among Hispanic women, they are 41 percent favorable to 56 percent unfavorable. Among women of all ages: Women younger than 55 have a 37 percent favorable to 58 percent unfavorable view of Clinton; women older than 55 have a 37 percent favorable to 60 percent unfavorable view. Among women of all incomes:

    Her ratings among under-$60K-per-year households are 39 percent favorable to 56 percent unfavorable; among over-$60K-per-year households, they are 34 percent favorable to 61 percent unfavorable; among working women, they are 39 percent favorable to 59 percent unfavorable; among self-employed women, they are 28 percent favorable to 69 percent unfavorable; among retired women, 36 percent favorable to 51 percent unfavorable; among unemployed women, 42 percent favorable to 46 percent unfavorable.

    By religion: Protestant Women have a 33 percent favorable to 63 percent unfavorable view of Clinton; among Evangelical women, it’s 31 percent favorable to 66 percent unfavorable; among non-Evangelical women, it’s 40 percent favorable to 54 percent unfavorable; among Catholic women, it’s 35 percent favorable to 59 percent unfavorable.

    There are, in fact, very few segments of the female electorate who have an overall favorable view of Clinton, and she still has significant negatives in her narrow base: Jewish women hold a 54 percent favorable to 46 percent unfavorable view; among liberal women, it’s 68 percent favorable to 30 percent unfavorable; among Democratic women, it’s 71 percent favorable to 26 percent unfavorable; among African-American women, it’s 86 percent favorable to 10 percent unfavorable. Sixty-two percent of the remaining undecided voters, in a head-to-head contest between Clinton and Trump, are women. The opinion of Hillary among these undecided women is overwhelmingly negative: 6 percent favorable to 82 percent unfavorable.....snip~

    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433596/hillary-clintons-low-ratings-among-women
     
  9. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2014
    Messages:
    17,025
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    You're assuming the Republican Party can become united by whom their nominee is. What is interesting in all those polls RCP has is Trump is only getting 70% of the Republican vote vs. Clinton. Historical average is 90% plus, in fact of those Republicans who voted in 2012, Romney received 93% of them.

    Facing Clinton with her high negatives, for the GOP candidate this should be a cakewalk. Only it is turning to be a cakewalk in the opposite manner. Somehow the GOP will have to find a way to unite and come together. The Democrats are united, the Republicans fractured. I have been following politics since 1956 and I have never seen where 30% of one's party's base vote state emphatically they would never vote for their nominee, in this case Trump. The closest you come is Goldwater back in 1964. But Goldwater was up against LBJ who just replaced JFK. American back then wasn't in a mood for another change so soon. LBJ was a titan back then, Clinton a dwarf today compared to him. LBJ had a 70% favorable rating vs. Clinton's 39% today. It should be a cakewalk, that is unless you running someone who has a favorable rating lower than hers and a chunk of your base that says they won't vote for their candidate.
     
  10. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That is quite an in-depth poll with Hillary and just women. It doesn't count the Military and it didn't count men. Just what Hillary and her Team thinks matters.

    Then there are those other matters I have mentioned.

    Did you see this?

    2 out of 3 economic models predict GOP will win the White House.....
    http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...-models-predict-gop-will-win-white-house.html
     
  11. CJtheModerate

    CJtheModerate New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2013
    Messages:
    5,846
    Likes Received:
    50
    Trophy Points:
    0
    According to the RCP Average, Clinton has a net favorability of -13.7 and Trump has a net favorability of -33.1. It's pretty clear who has the advantage.

    They are prominent people within the Democratic Party who have the right to vote at the convention, but are not pledged to vote for any candidate.
     
  12. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2014
    Messages:
    17,025
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I realize it is still early. With any other candidate besides Trump I probably would agree with you. Can Trump win 59% of the white vote, Romney did? Can Trump win 27% of the Hispanic vote, Romney did? Romney won independents 51-48%, can Trump accomplish that? Romney left quite a few Gingrich supporters mad as all get out at him, they failed to show up at the polls in November. Can Trump fix it with the Bush voters, with Lyin Ted's voters, with little Marco voters, with those who prefer an adult in the room, Kasich backers?

    Can Trump unite the GOP into a common cause of defeating Hillary? Can Trump get the GOP establishment to back him? What about all those mega Republican donors who have stated if Trump is their nominee, no money will be forthcoming? Then what about the electoral college?

    Don't assume the military will be voting for Trump either. At my VFW and American Legion meetings a lot of them have stated they are giving this election a pass. They dislike both candidates. It is as I stated many, many times, the only way Hillary can win is if the Republicans insist on running Trump as their nominee. I think Trump has made more people mad at him than you realize. There is no love for Clinton out there, but there is less love for Trump. Ever hear the least worst candidate or the lesser of two evils.
     
  13. cupAsoup

    cupAsoup Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2015
    Messages:
    7,879
    Likes Received:
    899
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Poor and sick people. Jesus would be proud.
     
  14. TheGreatSatan

    TheGreatSatan Banned

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2009
    Messages:
    21,269
    Likes Received:
    21,244
    Trophy Points:
    113

    You tell the poor and sick that they are poor and sick because of some race/sex/religion issue. I tell the poor and sick that there's help around every corner. People are good and generous no matter what their race/sex/religion is. If you want a hand, all you have to do is reach out for one.
     
  15. AlpinLuke

    AlpinLuke Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2014
    Messages:
    6,559
    Likes Received:
    588
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    If on a side superdelegates are not exactly the best expression of democracy [but the selection of the candidates, at the end is an internal matter of a party, in Italy moderates don't have primary elections and in other countries they don't exist, so ...], on the other side they can supply a kind of shield against populist runners for the nomination: imagine how Republicans are regretting not to have 400-500 superdelegates now!
     
  16. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male

    Once Trump or any other becomes the Repub Nominee.....their unfavorable will drop. While Hillary's continues to rise and will keep continuing to rise. You can count on it like the fingers on your hand.
     
  17. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    This in-depth poll is with Hillary and her trouble with women. It doesn't change how much trouble she has. Women know other women and they know when another woman is a skank and or deviate. Hillary is a deviate.....and she can't change her DNA from what she was meant to be. Which is a dishonest, worthless, inept, incompetent, liar and disgrace to women and to this Country.

    I don't know if Trump can pulls those numbers. Moreover I don't trust any numbers that the MS Media is hoping on. Can Trump win with 55% of the White Vote? 24% with Hispanics.

    If you haven't noticed Hillary's negatives with Independents continues to rise. She is closer to 70% against and that will keep rising.

    Can Hillary win with 72-75% of Indies against her?

    People need to wake the (*)(*)(*)(*) up.....Including those in the Military. Sitting this one out is unacceptable. As If Clinton wins. She and the Demos will take this country down the tubes and may even cause that Civil War to jump off.
     
  18. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2014
    Messages:
    17,025
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I hear what you are saying old friend. Can Trump get 24% of the Hispanic vote, I would say no. I personally think if he approaches 20% that would be excellent for him. 55% of the white vote, very easily doable and I expect Trump to hit that plus a point or two or three. McCain received 55% of the white vote back in 2008, Romney 59% in 2012.

    Giving this election a pass, go inside the polls and look at independents. You will see numbers like this when breaking down the independent vote. For Clinton 38%, for Trump 38%, will not vote 15%, vote for someone else 5%, don't know, undecided 4%. Usually the will not vote and vote for someone else combined together is 5%, not adding up to 20%. This is one reason I think less than 50% of eligible voters will vote in November as the dislike of both Trump and Clinton is turning a lot of voters off. They do not want that choice and if given, a lot will just stay home. That is independents.

    Trump has a problem with the Republican base Clinton doesn't with the Democrats. Poll after poll show only around 70% of the Republican base voting for Trump, Clinton is getting 85% plus in most polls of Democrats. Again with Republicans it isn't that 30% is going to Clinton, it's not. The latest IBD/TIPP poll is a prime example. Trump gets 69% of the Republican base vote, Clinton 9%, other 10% whereas Clinton receives 84% of the Democratic base vote to 8% for Trump and 4% other. Most polls show about the same, IBD/TIPP didn't include will not vote.

    Trumps problem is for the non-affiliated voter he comes across as a 5th grade schoolyard bully, a name caller. He comes across as treating this election process as a TV reality show. He does not come across as presidential.

    You're absolutely correct about Hillary not being liked. But even with all her baggage she comes across to the non-affiliated voters as behaving and looking more presidential. How important is that, I do not know. He recent melt down and tirade against Sanders may be the beginning of her demise.

    The question remaining to be answered is turnout. Will those lifelong Republicans who detest Trump show up in November? The Republican base has dropped from 30% of the electorate down to 26% as those lifelong Republicans have left because of the prospect of Trump winning their nomination. Independents lean Republican has dropped from 16% of the electorate to 14% of the electorate giving the total of Republican base plus independents lean Republican down to 40%. The Democratic base plus lean Democratic is at 48%. To me numbers much more important than horse race numbers at this point.
     
  19. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    For the Demos their base is the only thing that gives Clinton the play. There are more younger people out voting and more for Bernie despite now knowing he has no chance.

    If the Repubs go to the Convention. Trump won't be the nominee. So Hillary and the MS Media will have to switch gears, and throughout all of it. Hilllary's unfavorables and negatives won't be dismissed.

    Did you check out what those Economists models were saying? Includes Moodys and Emory University.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/elect...-models-predict-gop-will-win-white-house.html
     
  20. CJtheModerate

    CJtheModerate New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2013
    Messages:
    5,846
    Likes Received:
    50
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If winning the nomination will reduce Trump's unfavorables, why wouldn't they reduce Clinton's?
     
  21. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Because of Hillary's scandals. Those 6 investigations that are taking place and the aftermath of feeling the Bern.
     
  22. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2014
    Messages:
    17,025
    Likes Received:
    5,750
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Time will tell. This could be a case where the Republicans are danged if they go with Trump and danged if they don't. How many of the Trump supporters will not vote, stay home if they think Trump was robbed at the convention? He is bound to enter the convention with the most delegates, perhaps 1237, perhaps not. Does it really matter if lifelong Republicans stay home or if roughly the equal amount of Trump supporters stay home?

    Trump has divided the GOP and that party is in chaos, fractured. Is it beyond repair? I don't know. But listening to Johnny Isakson, my senator when asked about Trump being the Republican nominee and how him heading the GOP ticket, Senator Isakson replied it would be every candidate for himself.

    About the only thing I see at this point in time that would stop Clinton winning is an indictment. With the Obama DOJ, I do not see that happening.
     
  23. CJtheModerate

    CJtheModerate New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2013
    Messages:
    5,846
    Likes Received:
    50
    Trophy Points:
    0
    If they are going to indict her for anything, they will do it before the convention. Otherwise, she will be cleared.
     
  24. MMC

    MMC Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2012
    Messages:
    41,793
    Likes Received:
    14,697
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Plenty of time.....and should any of her aides go down. Her run will be done.
     
  25. Penrod

    Penrod Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2015
    Messages:
    12,507
    Likes Received:
    51
    Trophy Points:
    48
    We have a dictator now >he is simply a weak one and Hillary is no better. Im no big Trump fan or even a republican Im a libertarian and there are no decent choices this time so Im going with Johnson. I think congress would keep Putin in check but he might actually put America 1st. Im sorry but Hillary is scum of the earth. They dont come any lower.
     

Share This Page