Of course an infant is NOT the same as an adult, and that is why we do not treat them the same. A zef is not the same as an infant and we do not treat them the same.
You are leaving the context, which is basic human rights. An infant and an adult are identical from that standpoint and a fetus and an infant should be the same as well.
That "should" is just your idea of what should be, a majority of the people disagree with you. A majority of the people want abortion to be legal.
Fetal homicide laws appeal to the emotions of voters, those who want to protect pregnant WOMEN from vicious attacks. But if the fetus is the same as an infant, no special law would be needed, laws already existing would cover the homicide. You saw what voters in Mississippi did to a "personhood" bill, if that bill can't pass in Mississippi, it can't pass anywhere.
Roe appeals to the emotions of wayward women. There is no need for a "personhood" bill, the fetal homicide laws took care of that. The fact that there are a lot of killers and killer supporters in Mississippi is no great surprise.
You are still betraying an ignorant position. The fact that fetal homicide laws have no bearing on abortion is understood by all with the least knowledge of the topic. You are the only one still clinging to this fallacy, no doubt due to the lack of a real intelligent argument.
Your inability to recognize logical conflicts is evident, so if you cannot intelligently debate a position, simply move on.
Ok, but first you answer my question. All due time, just answer the question first and then I'll give you a clear, concise answer. Actually you can read them, since I post it all the time, here: But as I say I'll post them again. As I said before what my beliefs are should have nothing to do with your ability, or rather inability, to answer the simple question. Yes, you have a problem with that? Why not? Are you a moral relativist? You think all morality is feelings then? So I guess your answer would be "its whatever I feel like when I wake up."
you can't even keep track of your own ramblings. This is not the thread I posted in. So what you did, apparently, is copied my response to you, took an entire day to come up with this brilliant rebuttal (LOL) then posted it on the WRONG thread... Massive fail.
How so? How is it absurd? Cant you answer the quesiton? But should they not stoop none the less if the quesiton is posed? Why do my views get to be ignored while yours dont? Say I were ignorant, would it not be better to enlighten me? If not, why not and if so, what is keeping you?
The other one was closed because this one has the same thread OP. I thought this one was closed, but it isnt. How is the thread wrong? Yes I copied your post because I couldn't respond on the other thread. It took me a day to do so because I wasn't on PF yesterday - I only came on tonight since I made the other one. How's that? You still haven't answered the question. haha I can see why - you cant.
it's a massive fail because you can't keep track of your own thoughts. Look at this thread, it is 17 pages long and you couldn't remember you started it??
Which thoughts? Oh boy. Read my words carefully mate. I never said I forgot about it. I said I thought it was closed because no one came back to comment on it and I could not find it in the abortion forum section. I assumed it was closed, since threads that dont get comments regularly are usually closed and I haven't commented or seen a comment posted on this thread in ages (6 months actually). This has happened a few times to me. So I decided to create a new one. Why do you have such a hard time getting over this? I'd like to think you are so up in arms about this because you haven't had the same experience yet, but I cant help but feel like it seems you are just delaying like all the other lifers - you, like them, will never be able to answer the question straight out right, will you?
You do realize that there's a "find all threads created by me" function for quandaries such as the one you're describing, do you not?
Continuing discussion from the other, closed thread: I have answered it. He asked the question: Why is human life special. I answered that its special by proxy - because mind is special, and when some human life is required for some mind to exist, then its also special. I do think its wrong to kill innocent people, if they have a mind.
Your views are anarchical and could never apply to this real world without causing major pain and suffering (far more than there already is). I'm sure if I wanted to think about answering the question or wanted to answer the question, I'd be very capable. The thing is, like I said before, I don't really think the question is deserving of an answer and I'm not going to answer it. My views are ignored all the time. The views of both sides of this silly debate are ignored every single day. The whole abortion debate is basically both sides plugging their ears and screaming "I can't hear you" while at the same time screaming what is objectively right at the opposing side. I've had maybe one discussion on ANY forum in which my view was ultimately respected and left be after some discussion. It happened here, but it was quite some time ago. As for why your views should be ignored? The question was "why is it wrong to kill an innocent human being?" That question is sadistic in nature as it implies that justification is needed for us to not kill innocent human beings.
Not to get too terribly off topic, but you may have created a lot of threads, they all can be found in seven pages worth of search results, as I just found not two minutes ago. Seven pages of 25 threads each can easily be parsed with a little assistance from control + F or whatever your search utility might be.
Yeah but I checked the first three and couldn't see it so I assumed it was deleted. As I said to another guy, its not the first time its happened. I dont see what the big deal is. You can talk to me here, so what's the problem? But let me guess, for some strange reason you still cant tell me why human life is important?
That was not the question. He did not ask "why is human life special?" In the other thread, the question was clearly emphasis bold and color added. Your response did not answer this question, it answered a different question. This is not the same thread as the other thread, in the other thread in which you posed your answer, there was never any question regarding "why is human life special?" That's the topic, yes, but his question is clearly stated within the opening post of the topic to which you initially responded.
Woah, sidetrack. You never asked me "why human life is important?" Try not to merge all of this thread's ideas with the duplicate you created which I responded to. You asked "why is it wrong to kill an innocent human being," which is what I responded to. I did not answer that question, because it is not deserving of an answer, and if you'll look back in this thread, I already explained why.
