Why Is Transgender An Identity But Anorexia A Disorder?

The tranny is causing me mental distress.

So what IS your view?

The fact that they are men and have a penis yet they are in the same washroom as me causes me mental distress. The women's washroom is meant for WOMEN...not men. I am sorry that I even needed to say this.

I never claimed all women do. And the fact that some do feel alarmed and/or disturbed means we should address their concern.

Question for you: do you really think that people's emotional responses and reactions are only legitimate when they are approved by a shrink? You seem to be saying that if I feel disgusted, alarmed, or threatened by trannies, I somehow need to go and ask a shrink whether my feelings are normal or justified? Correct me if wrong but this seems to be what you are saying.

Also, you keep talking about harm. There is technically no harm for a sex offender (or sexual predator or pedophile) to watch a child as a babysitter but if you had a small child, would you hire such a person?

 

Specifically what harm is caused?

AIDS is a preventable disease not synonymous with transgenders. What harm does being transgender cause others in and of itself?

Source citation needed for mental illness claim.

 

Specifically how so and why is the transgender to blame for your distress?

My view is that there is no conclusive evidence to support a factual claim of transgenderism being a form of mental illness. My view is also that I have seen no evidence of transgenderism harming others. Blaming others for ones own discomfort is in this case blame misplaced.

Specifically why does the above cause you distress?

That is debatable. I personally have no problem with a trans man using the same restroom as me nor does my wife have a problem with a trans women using the women's restroom.

I agree, let's start by examining the source of their disturbance. Who is to blame for the disturbance, the transgender or those disturbed by using a bathroom in the presence of a transgender?

No. But I think such evidence would be of supporting value in an argument of a harm being suffered by a transgender using the same bathroom.

No. But I think such evidence would be of supporting value in an argument of a harm being suffered by a transgender using the same bathroom.

Strawman.

 

Then I ask you again WHY is, say, anorexia, germaphobia, OCD, any number of mental disorders recognized as what they are, but not transgenderism?

 

I won't answer any more of these incessant questions from you that clearly show that you have no sympathy for me and people like me who feel uncomfortable sharing the washroom with a tranny. I get it that you personally are not bothered by them but that doesn't mean the rest of us dont and it also doesn't mean our emotional responses are invalid.

If you honestly don't find anything wrong with men using the women's washroom then I have no more to say.

Going back to my example. Some parents feel uncomfortable with hiring sexual predators/sex offenders as a babysitter. I guess according to you, these parent's "discomfort" is also misplaced.

If you needed to ask this then you would not understand my answer. It's like if you receive a prank phone call, or worse, a death threat, and then I ask you, "how does this cause you distress".

So you don't feel uncomfortable with trannies. Some people do.

Of course it's the trannies. They should have used the men's room because they have a penis!

Would parents want their high school-aged daughter to shower together with a grown man after a game of football? And if they felt uncomfortable, should you blame them or the man?

Nobody is saying that the feelings one goes through in this case are intense enough as to warrant a visit to a psychiatrist. However, that doesn't mean these feelings are not legitimate.

Also, stop calling everything straw-man. Sometimes people need to evoke hypothetical situations in order to illustrate their point/s. This doesn't mean that they have gone on a tangent.

You keep talking about "harm" but there is also no harm for trannies to use the bathrooms that correspond with their birth sex. So why can't they?

 

There are plenty of examples out there of people being sued for not calling someone by their pronouns that we're supposed to guess at.

In another thread we have a female taking male hormones who is undefeated in wrestling. I wonder why. This is cropping up more and more in athletics.

Feminist groups are joining conservative groups to fight back against what they see as another attack on women.

Taxpayers are being forced more and more to fund sex changes, even for incarcerated criminals like in California.

Suicide, HIV rate, and substance abuse isn't synonymous with any particular group but the fact that the rates are orders of magnitude higher is statistically significant.

Every other form of body dysmorphia is considered a mental illness. It's considered a mental illness (at least for now) to think you're a cat, or to want to chop off your arm, to starve yourself, to have excessive amounts of plastic surgery, etc. How is wanting to chop off your penis any different?

By definition it is a mental illness because the conclusion reached in the mind does not equal the reality of the physical body and their chromosomal genetic makeup.

They think they are something they are not. That's a mental illness.

 

Why does using the restroom with the same label as their birth certificate offend transgenders so much, and why do their emotions take precedence over everybody else's?

 

Better question... why is a man that thinks he is a woman not a disorder but a kid that is a bit hyperactive has a disorder?

 

Source citation needed for claim of mental disorder.

 

Dodge noted. I take said dodge as an admittance that you cannot or will not back your previous claim. My inability to answer your question is not proof that transgenderism is a mental disorder. Get back to me once you can prove that transgenderism a mental disorder.

 

If I think I am POTUS when I am in fact not, that is a mental illness. When someone with a penis thinks he is a woman, that is also a mental illness.

 

A straight man who always go to the gym to shape up and loss fats, to maintain sexy body,
do have anorexia problem?

 

Well, they're both a neurological disorder, except one is an eating disorder and the other is a disorder in how the nervous system identifies with the body.

It's not mental, it is neurological

 

The above in no way represents my actual views.

I agree nor have I argued otherwise.

Fair enough. I thank you for taking the time to share your perspective with me.

Strawman.

Strawman.

I agree and have not argued otherwise.

I argue that in the absence of harm, each individual is responsible for their own discomfort. Blaming others for our discomfort is blame misplaced. I do not see discomfort as being synonymous with harm and argue that in public we have no reasonable expectation to be comfortable.

Strawman.

I agree.

I will continue to call out strawman arguments when I see them.

Talking about public urination and necrophilia has nothing to do with transgenderism nor does it add anything to the argument. We will have to disagree here.

From my POV the above is your strongest argument. Last time I checked there was no incidence of a trans person being attacked in the bathroom that corresponded with their sex at birth. In the absence of harm to either side, I default to allowing transgenders use whichever bathroom that they identify with. But that is just my opinion.

 

I didn't read the article cause you know, it's the federalist, but I will say this coming from someone who IS anorexic.

Anorexia does not only infect the mind, it affects the senses. People who are not anorexic cannot begin to comprehend what it is like. Having anorexia is like alcoholism, you struggle with it until the day you die. So, it is indeed a disorder. Gender Identity Disorder is a thing, and this is probably what the OP was getting at with transgenders. But, is transgenderism a choice, inherent, or involuntary?

 

1) Suicide. Why is the incidence of suicide higher if other than bullying and social ostracism?

2) HIV. Would be a good argument if HIV were synonymous with transgenders and not a preventable illness.

3) Substance abuse. Why is substance abuse higher if other than an escape from or coping mechanism for being bullied and socially ostracized?

Dodge noted. I take said dodge as an admittance that you cannot or will not defend your previous claim of mental illness. Get back to me when you can back your previous claim on the topic of mental illness with source citation.

 

I have no idea. Perhaps a question best answered by a transgender person.

That is the issue is it not, that being whose feelings matter more? I argue that in the absence of harm, that transgenders be allowed to use the bathroom that they identify with.

 

I'm not dodging a damn thing, I answered the question.

The BIOLOGICAL REALITY is that it is a man or woman. The brain denies the reality. Thus the problem is in the brains inability to recognize reality.

That's what we call a mental illness.

 

Strawman.

Source citation needed for the above claim. Just because you think it is a mental illness does not mean that it is or is not. I get it, you have an opinion, but I am looking for fact on the subject. Get back to me when you can provide me with source citation that proves your claim to be fact. If all you have is opinion then a continuation of our debate will be an exercise in futility.

 

Incorrect as I asked for source citation which you have yet to present. Get back to me when you can present source citation that backs your previous claim.

Source citation needed for the above claim.

 

You need a citation to prove the biological basis of male and female?

 

I understand. My heart goes out to TS persons. It has to be terrible to live with. But it is a disorder just like anorexia. Being skinny is harmful physically, but facilitates a better quality of life for the person who feels they are overweight. I don't see TS as any different

 

Changing sex will result in the death of the human species.

 

You have to understand that liberals are great at labeling people and disorders to their specs.

The title of the thread is a great question tho.

 

I need source citation for your claim of mental illness.