Why Is Transgender An Identity But Anorexia A Disorder?

Source citation needed for the above claim.

 

The medical "professionals" also think that ADHD is a legitimate disorder. I am not saying we should just from now on disregard everything they say, but I do think we should use common sense to decide whether what they say has merit or not.

 

Common sense is often subjective as what is sensible to one will be nonsensical to another, thus my preference for source citation backed facts, which you have yet to provide. If you are arguing facts then source your claims with a link else all you have is a subjective opinion.

 

All I am saying is that medical professionals can be wrong, too. Do you dispute this?

 

Hyperbolic as not all humans want to change their sex.

 

Sure, it's in the ICD.

http://www.icd10data.com/ICD10CM/Codes/F01-F99/F60-F69/F64-

"Gender dysphoria" is still in the "let's take a vote" DSM.

Here's the bottom line though, and it's really just common sense.

There are a whole slew of "mental disorders" associated with your mind not matching reality of your physical body, such as those who wish to chop off perfectly functioning limbs.

Your physical biology is science fact. If your mind doesn't recognize the reality of your physical biology, then the problem is in your mind, clearly. Where else could the problem be?

A male who artificially takes female hormones and undergoes surgery for artificial changes is STILL biologically a male that thinks it's a female.

 

I do not dispute the above.

 

Exactly.

What is so difficult for some on the Left to understand?

You're physically born a man or a woman, and regardless of what kind of "changes" one decides to make in one's life, that person will always be a male or a female regardless of any scientific of medical changes they choose.

Why is that even a debate???

 

The first time one of these trannies has a period call me and we can discuss.

 

Public urination isn't harmless... it's a public health issue.

 

When faced with conflicting data how do you decide which set of data is the correct data?

"Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness."
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria#1

 

Sexuality isn't part of the transgender dispute. Society is being asked/forced to accept a gender switch because someone feels they are something else, all physical evidence to the contrary.

 

Why is wanting to chop your arm off a mental illness, but wanting to chop off your penis not a mental illness?

Again, the reality is one of biology. If your mind doesn't match that reality, is that not a mental illness? Not recognizing reality is not a brain that is functioning normally.

 

So I wonder feelings of all kinds are just chemical and electrical components of the brain. As science improves and they discover more of what genes affect what in the brain they are bound to find the ones that cause mental illness. At that point if a parent could get a test and discover that their child will be prone to anorexia, or depression, or anything caused by the brain should they allow the doctor if able to switch that gene off as it were?

 

Self if not just the body. As for the mind, it has been said that we know more about the observable universe than the complex bioelectrical and chemical processes of the human brain (paraphrased). To come to a conclusion of mental illness is to base a conclusion upon incomplete evidence, same for those who come to a conclusion to the negative. Psychology is a relatively young science and I think our ignorance on the topic of the human brain far exceeds our knowledge.

My position on whether transgenderism is a mental illness is that there is not enough evidence to support a factual claim to the positive or the negative.

 

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria#1

 

I know a guy who went to a women but then back to a guy. He was confused to say the least. There was a news report I saw today about a school boy who was a transgender girl who was allowed to compete in the girls wrestling matches. Guess what? He won! Big surprise there! That is taking transgenderism too far, as is the whole Obama bathroom fiasco! The good of the many out weigh the good of the few, as Mr Spock would say!

 

False equivalence.

To come to a conclusion of mental illness is to base a conclusion upon incomplete evidence, same for those who come to a conclusion to the negative. Psychology is a relatively young science and I think our ignorance on the topic of the human brain far exceeds our knowledge.

Do you believe that your mind is consistently in line with an objective reality? I argue that our brains suck at objectively discerning reality from fallacy as our brains are easily fooled, thus my preference of scientific proven fact over speculation. In the absence of fact it is OK to speculate, but let us call it what it is, speculation not fact. My position on whether transgenderism is a mental illness is that there is not enough evidence to support a factual claim to the positive or the negative.

The reality is that some people are transgender which is outside the norm. So what? You have argued that transgenderism is a mental illness, and I argue that an illness causes harm, so what harm does transgenderism cause? If it causes no harm then how can it be a mental illness?

 

Please quote the part that supports your claim that "it is a disorder just like anorexia."

 

https://psychcentral.com/disorders/gender-dysphoria-symptoms/

It's a disorder. I'm not saying it as a degradation. I wouldn't wish it for myself nor wish it upon anyone else. It has to be absolutely awful to live with.

Pretending it isn't a disorder doesn't help anyone.

 

In the presence of conflicting data how do you decide which is the correct data?

"Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness."
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria#1

 

You're seeing gender as a binary value (true or false,) yet you admit it's not always true or false. Using numbers, you admit that between 0 (men) and 1 (women) is a .5 (hermaphrodites.)

But you won't admit there may also be a .1, .2, .3, .4, etc?

Did you know that the genitals and the brain's relationship to the genitals develop at different times? They almost always line up and the brain gets the right message, but sometimes it doesn't. The cure (sex change,) is proven to be helpful.

Why do you care, anyway? How does it harm you?

 

They may or may not be chemical, but we as yet have absolutely no way of knowing how these chemical differences (if and when they exist) came into being. There is as much good evidence for environment as there is for heredity. I'm personally (after decades of observation) of the opinion that all maladies of the mind are environmental.

 

Chopping off one part of your body is different than chopping off another? Please elaborate.

Psychology is not a science.

Psychology does not overrule biological reality with feelings.

Objective reality in all cases? Perhaps not, since perception is based on known facts. In non-tangible things your argument holds. However, there is no arguing with tangible reality. You either have a certain set of chromosomes, or are categorically male or female. The only exception would be, of course, biological mutations. There ARE people who are born in non-determinate PHYSICAL states of sexuality, that I will grant you.

If you look down and see a penis, you're a male by definition, regardless of how your brain interprets it's existence. If you reject the reality, you're disassociative.

I gave you a long list of harms previously that you never responded to.

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Yes and it changed based on how psychologists voted, so their "science" is largely one of opinion.

 

ADHD is a very good example. It's behavioural, not biological. And it's environmental. We used to call them 'naughty kids', but right about the time parents starting demanding that they not be held responsible for outcomes in their own kids, the medical industry looked for an 'out'. They knew that if they told parents little Johnny was simply lacking discipline, parents wouldn't come back. And they sure as heck wouldn't buy those expensive meds the good Dr was taking a cut from via his local Pharmaceuticals rep.