Why is Trump impervious to events swirling around him?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Sounds plausible. I have not considered that.
     
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    You do not consider ISIS terrorists a national security threat? Do you think it is perfectly okay for Russia to control Middle East oil, a great deal of which goes to our allies in Europe and Asia.

    Should Trump also withdraw all our troops in Europe, paving the way for Russian expansion? Should Trump also withdraw our troops from Asia, paving the way for Chinese expansion?

    The extension of your logic says you would agree to all that. "Only a handful of crazies with TDS think we should stay mired in" Europe and Asia.

    Are you from around here?
     
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    Don't worry about ISIS, whoever they are. Once the dems stop obstructing, Trump will secure our borders, and raise the standard for who is allowed in our country. This makes more sense then spending our blood and treasure in the ME, playing Whack-a-mole with the Islamic threat de jour.

    Europe doesn't need our protection. That's not why we're there. They have their own armies. Besides, there's a thread on this forum boasting about Germany's 15 billion Euro surplus. Let Germany pay for their own protection if their empire needs it.

    Also, nobody is shooting at us in places outside of the ME. If you and your ilk are so passionate about the ME, then buy weapons and risk your own lives over there. Leave everyone else alone.
     
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    Are you allowed to vote? It is people like you who gave us Trump.

    To say Trump is incompetent is to say water is wet. Throughout his Presidency he replaces one controversy illustrating his incompetence with worse controversy illustrating his incompetence.

    Where to begin? In 32 months there are so many. Let's begin with his disastrous trade war with China, which fortunately has not hurt our economy too much, no thanks to Trump. To illustrate the problem, currently the Dow is 281 points above where it was in January 2018. The stock market is standing still, and his trade war with no end in sight is a disaster while contrary to Republican Party principles.

    Trump changed the subject from his disastrous trade war with China to his cowardly response to Iran capturing ships, mining ships, destroying the largest oil refinery in the world, and shooting down a very sophisticated American aircraft. Trump's response was meaningless economic sanctions. Trump seemed to have forgotten the fact that he caused the entire mess by removing the U.S. from a perfectly good working agreement that barred Iran from making a nuke.

    As things got more serious with his handling of Iran, Trump began still another controversy to change the subject. He called a foreign power, asked them to interfere in our Presidential election by investigating one of his opponents and used bribery to get the foreign power to do what he wanted. This jacked up the impeachment charges against Trump.

    But Trump didn't care. The mindless President quickly started a far worse controversy to remove the previous one from the front pages. He betrayed an important ally in the Middle East, an ally that had destroyed ISIS and curtailed Assad's monstrosities, and gave his friend, dictator Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of Turkey, everything he wanted. This imbecilic decision caused him support of Republicans in Congress, and both McConnell and Graham have turned on him.

    Trump hasn't replaced this disaster yet, but he will.

    What could be worse than betraying an important ally in the fight against Islamic terrorism? I don't know, but we will find out. Trump will find something. He always does.

    With all the chaos Trump is creating, is there any doubt he is acting like a Russian puppet?
     
  5. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It would seem "Wrathful_Buddha" is a pro-Putin poster, advocating the dissolution of NATO and Russian dominance in the Middle East, with the facade of U.S. isolationism.
     
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    I can vote, and I will.:nod:

    This rest of your post is rambling all over the place, and way too long. Do you have any comments on what I posted?
     
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    That's not what happened here. He committed tax fraud on the one hand. On the other hand, by overstating the value of his assets to secure loans, he's guilty of defalcation (bank fraud). He's a crook. Always has been.
     
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    I do like Putin, but that has nothing to do with what I posted. I'm expressing what I feel is best for America.

    Why do you seem to hate Putin so much? What did he do to you? I think part of the left's problem is the irrational hatred you carry. It's making you guys come here and say goofy things.
     
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    Actually, I don't "hate" anyone, including Putin. I am sure that if he asks for forgiveness, it will be granted at the appropriate time. I do think he would like to get rid of the sanctions placed on him by the West on his behavior in Ukraine, including the annexation of the Crimea. I understand his geo-political reasons for the annexation, but believe Russian national security regarding the Crimea could have been successfully negotiated to lift the sanctions...without political murders and without interference into our 2016 election. Remember, there was a "reset era" prior to the second Ukrainian revolution, which ousted a corrupt - but legally elected - pro-Russian President. I would work toward a restoration of that era, without the break-up of NATO, or the abandonment of our Middle Eastern allies to Russian influence in filling the vacuum we leave behind ourselves.
     
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    It has nothing to do with Russia or Putin, it has everything to do with the lefties tragic election loss in 2016. TDS to the max.

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    Sounds like you're saying Putin put Trump in the White House. This is what I mean by saying goofy things. You have been brain washed by Rachel Maddow and CNN.
     
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    Interesting...you don't mind the Russian interference in our 2016 election? It, of course, has much to do with Russia. Why do you think Rudy was running around the world with his arrested ethnic Russian Ukrainians, helping finance elections in the U.S. and dig up the DNC servers?
     
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    Not at all. You misinterpreted my comments, to fit your own narrative. Many factors went into Clinton's loss. No one is seeking to redo the election result, although many of us believe the electoral college system is out-of-date and should be changed for the future.
    However, the other factors (lack of Clinton campaigning in states thought to be secure, her illness at the end of the campaign, incompetence of part of her staff, appearing "too entitled," and controlling of the DNC, versus the Bernie Revolution, etc., etc.) doesn't erase the impact of the Russian interference either, whose unlawful interference was probably most effective in exposing the Clinton DNC bias, keeping part of the Democrats at home and turning others to third parties.
     
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    Yes, I agree. It's a gross form of rationalization. They can't handle that people reject their irrational world view, and it drives them crazy. However, I blame universities and the MSM for warping their minds. It's kind of sad. Seriously, what do we do with them? How do we bring them back to reality?
     
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    By leaving your bubble and returning to reality yourselves.
     
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    Julian Assange is not Russian. That's crazy Hillary and MSM speaking through you.

    Furthermore, if Hillary and the DNC didn't do the things they did, there would be nothing to expose. Even if Russia exposed them, it would be a service to voters. We dodged a bullet thanks to the info being made public.
     
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    Santa vaca. :disbelief:
     
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    The Russians passed the hacked DNC and Clinton e-mails to Assange, who then distributed them via the Internet. The Russians broke laws; the DNC and Clinton campaign did not.
     
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    Are you talking about the $100,000 in facebook ads the Russians took out to convince low information democrat party voters to come to their collective senses and vote for Trump?
     
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    Just a thought.
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    No...I am talking about the hacking of the DNC and the Clinton campaign...but, you can throw the Facebook ads in as well.
     
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    So you can prove that any Russian involvement changed one vote?
     
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    What does that have to do with their breaking the law?
     
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    I think you missed my last post. Even if Putin himself leaked the emails, it's irrelevant. If Hillary and the DNC did nothing wrong, there would be nothing to expose.
     
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    Not irrelevant. The Russians broke the law. That is the point. You think the DNC bias toward Clinton is the point. That's a Democratic Party issue. It probably caused a number of Bernie supporters to stay home or vote a third party...but so what? No rationale person thinks the election should be held again. In fact, the only people who seem to be afraid of that on are on the far right. What most people do think, is that law breakers should be punished.
     
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