Why so important right now for Athiests?

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Why do you believe the holiday season is only for Christians?
     
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    Why should we complain its the holiday season for everyone.
     
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    A good example of why you see backlashes from some athirst groups. Why is it Christians believe that only THEY should be allowed to celebrate during the holiday season? How arrogant.

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    I dont believe in supernatural beings. Other than that what beliefs do we not share?
     
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    Uhh no it's a SPECIFICALLY religious holiday (or also known as "holy day"). The very concept of a holiday holds a religious connotation. Whether it's Christian or pagan is irrelevant, Christmas is INHERENTLY a religious holiday.

    So you don't have a problem using religion when it's beneficial to you and you get a paid day off of work... but let a nativity scene pop up at their nations capitol and it will cause atheists to get their panties so far up their ass, silk is coming out of their mouth.

    And let me guess, you don't have a problem taking off for Easter either.
     
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    Perhaps it's just my personality but I honestly don't care if there is religion in the public eye. I would have zero problem with the local city officials putting a Nativity scene in the middle of downtown during the holidays or something. To me it's just not a big deal.

    Maybe I'm just partially indoctrinated into the traditional American culture or something. To me I feel like this is a Christian nation because growing up I believed it was. I grew up saying Under God in the Pledge and watching Christian themed festivals and decorations in the public eye. While I never believed in those things I just felt like they were a part of American culture and it didn't bother me. I felt like I was the one who was different since I was Atheist but I never held any animosity towards it.

    I realize that the Founding Fathers wanted a nation that truly had the separation of Church and State and somewhere along our historical lines we ignored that and became this Christian nation. Now we are trying to revert back to what the Founding Fathers actually wanted but since we had been a Christian nation for so long I feel as though changing it is trying to change the "America" that I've always known.
     
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    Atheists do not "believe in nothing".
     
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    You can call it anything you want, a christian nation, or an intelligent nation, doesn't matter..it IS what it is, christian warts and all...IF it's a christian nation they sure have a lot of explaining to do....if it's sooo Christian why is their still crime and corruption? Do they just blame "other than christian" for all of that? YES, they do.


    Christians want to "own" this country but will NOT accept responsibility for all it's mistakes and offenses....how does their god view their arrogance and Pride in claiming a country as theirs??
     
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    I bet you don't either... Easter having nothing to do with Christ. You feel entitled applying whatever meaning you like in these adopted holidays, yet chastise atheists who do the same? To me they are American traditions centered around bringing joy to children...

    The piety of some Christians is astounding.
     
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    Uh no it is the Holiday Season that originates long before the Christian Christmas celebration as does the celebrations of the arrival of spring predating the Christian Easter celebration. Can you point to me the part in the Bible where the Easter Bunny arrives?

    Why are you so scared of other peoples holidays that you want to prevent them?
     
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    What exactly do you mean by "we are a Christian nation", who exactly does that manifest itself? If tomorrow aliens landed which all the answers about life and universe and made it clear that supernatural beings do not exist and when you die you just die, what do you think would change in our nation, what would be different?
     
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    We may have adopted the holidays but that doesn't change the fact they were religious in nature and continue to be so. You want to take advantage of the religious nature of the holiday so you can take off of work and you hide it under the guise of "a day for bringing joy to children". Further, the dates of Christmas and Easter are actually designated as recognized occurrences. Meaning the 25th is applied as the day when Jesus Christ was born. Accurate or not that's the day which is used. The days of easter are recognized as the day of Jesus' death and resurrection.

    So unlike your "day of children's joy" we can't just put it on any day we want. Your "day of children's joy" could be on a Saturday. But you want to benefit from the religious connotation as an excuse to get off of work or school. Because without the religious connotation your "joy to children" day wouldn't get you anything off of work.

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    Can you show me where I said it's a specifically CHRISTIAN religious holiday? I said it is a RELIGIOUS holiday. Whether it is Christian or pagan is irrelevant.
     
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    What religion is engaged in by buying things, giving gifts, putting up lights, decorating trees, etc?

    What religion has those things as core tenets or features them in its religious text?
     
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    Ahhhhh

    Pagan : one who has no religion

    How about this, we end Christmas as a national holiday and if you as Christian want to celebrate it you have to use a vacation day or take an unpaid day off? You DO know Christian faiths in the United States were against a Christmas celebration and even forbid it in the past. So why not YOU give it up or if you want to celebrate use your vacation or request upaid time off.
     
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    The most vocal atheists are just snivelling cry babies who are reminded what an unpopular worldview atheism is this time of year. No need to even pay them any attention.
     
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    Sounds fine to me. Although I'm sure that there will be more than enough employers who will keep it as a holiday for those whose religions celebrate it. But you'll be working right on through.

    So I'm good with that.
     
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    The rabbits come from Tammuz, son of Nimrod... the son of Cush, son of Ham, son of Noah. Nimrod married his mother after the fathers death, who was then known as Semiramis before ascension as the moon goddess Ishtar, from whence Easter gets its name . Nimrod then becomes Baal, a sun god. Yahweh seriously dislikes Baal. Anyway... Tammuz the incest child of Ishtar and Baal has an affinity for bunny rabbits. The egg thing comes from Ishtars Pagan fertility rituals...

    These characters are all over the bible. Jeremiah stands out.

    I have a shiny reputation point for any Christian (only Christians) who can recite the lords prayer correctly, or tell me their saviors actual name (hint... it aint Jesus Christ).
     
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    Are you the Christian's God? No, so who are you to judge?
     
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    OH NO, equal treatment, if you get paid time everyone gets it at the company. So you use your vacation time or take unpaid leave, in fact what if we FORCE you to take it off unpaid as you want to FORCE atheist to work that day? And of course I can take my Winter Solstice holiday.
     
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    The whole Eastern Bunny and eggs and flowers come the fact it is a celebration of the end of winter and the new beginning of Spring. Christians just hijacked it.
     
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    That's simply not true. Private businesses can provide holidays in any way shape or form that they so desire. You're getting equal treatment. If you are a Christian you get off Christian holidays. If you are a muslim you get off muslim holidays. If you are a jew, you get off jewish holidays. That's how it works in most places now anyway.

    And if you are atheist, you get off on atheist holidays... oh.. wait.

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    Uhhh no... Easter came from Esther who was a pagan fertility goddess. One of her symbols was a rabbit because of it's high fertility rate. Another symbol of fertility were also eggs. Which is why the easter bunny brings eggs.

    It's a religious holiday.

    ETA: just as a little education, the Christmas tree is from the pagan tradition of bringing in the boughs of evergreen trees during winter as an act of sympathetic magic.
     
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    I despise all religion equally but I love Christmas and all the sparkly things, family, and food. Just Love it!
     
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    Thats what I just said. The specific Pagan celebration of the vernal equinox including rabbits and eggs come from Ishtar and Baal, who are mentioned quite a bit in the bible. It has to do with fertility and spring fever of sorts. Back in the day there was a lot of breeding competition in dueling religions in order to gain devotees and thereby armies. This is why you must be fruitful and multiply.
     
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    Nearly 75% of Americans consider themselves Christian. Christian holidays are federal holidays while other religious holidays are not. Our currency has In God we Trust on it, the pledge has Under God in it. The evidence is everywhere, no other religions even remotely get the attention that Christianity gets here. Whether we like it or not if you generally asked someone what religion Americans were they would say Christians just like if you ask a random person what religion Iraqis were they will tell you Muslims. Are there non Muslims in Iraq? Of course. Are there non Christians in America? Of course, but our nation as a whole is defined by our majority and our majority are Christians.
     
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    Lol... sadly I believe we would end up at war with the
    demons. The devoted wont deal with logic from humans... aliens would simply be demons... of the devil etc.
     
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    Wrong, if the company declares a holiday for workers it has to apply to all workers equally. You can't descriminate on the basis of religion.

    You have clearly demonstrated your ignorance of the holidays and the laws here.

    Oh that's one, there are many such Spring celebrations, Christians are not very creative with holidays you know.

    For some, not all.

    But again we can force you to take a vacation day or unpaid day off right?
     

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