Yes, that's it. No matter what, protect the mass shooters, protect the murder, the slaughter of thousands of innocent Americans, including children. That's the idea.
That's irrelevant and off topic. First, I don't live in the hood. Second, I would never agree to such a situation unless my life depended on it, which it may well do in some places: something I sure you don't understand. But most of all, your point is just deflection. You can't honestly justify defending ordinary citizens owning the types of weapons mass shooters use. No one actually needs them. So you attack an area of discussion that has no relevancy here. Your comment is off topic and against forum rules.
And you determine the needs of vast number of our citizens just how? And off topic? Just how? The hood rats protect other hood rats from prosecution from gun crime with a no cultural no snitch policy. THAT is protection. You've gotten owned with this one and you just don't like it. Yet
"No one actually needs them" is irrelevant. Mass shooters have used "assault weapons", other semi-automatic rifles, bolt action rifles, lever action rifles, semi-automatic shotguns, pump action shotguns, double barrel shotguns, semiautomatic pistols, revolvers, and .22 caliber rifles, so yes, I can defend that ownership. Mass shooters using "assault weapons" have killed about 1/3 of the number the lightning has in the 20 years. There are over 10 million "assault weapons" in the hands of citizens. That's a tiny fraction of a percent used in mass shootings. The rest are used in safe, lawful activities.
Nothing suggested but you will do anything to protect the children - indeed, you know you need their deaths to push your agenda.
I don't have an agenda other then to stop their deaths. What agenda do you think I have? What agenda has the RW propaganda machine told you I have? You don't know me. They don't know me. I taught teens and young adults for 30 years. The only thing I want is to stop the massacres. That's not an agenda.
How many kids have been killed in a K-12 school in a mass shooting by a shooter using an "assault weapon" in the last 20 years? How many of those shootings were there?
Yep, if you really look at where shotguns are used, they're far deadlier and per shot cause much more mortality/morbidity than AR's. Also in many of these shooting the AR are budget brand and jam.
It doesn't matter what specific gun was used in each shooting. I will leave it up to the law makers to decide what is best, but something needs to be done. You have heard of the quote from Einstein that doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity. We have shooting after shooting and each time do nothing. I don't expect different results as long as we do nothing. I love children. I care about children. I know children. I am sick to death of them being murdered like this and the country doing nothing. People who prize guns over children sicken me. I am disgusted with my country for doing nothing about this. You ask how many kids have been killed with a specific type of gun. I say to you NO child should have been killed, at all, ever. Anyone who has any human decency would say or think the same, not count the number of kids killed by which type of gun. That's just sick.
Please, kid bangers kill kid bangers wholesale, mostly with handgun over things as trivial as athletic shoes.
Okay, how many kids have been murdered at school by someone with a gun in the last 20 years? How many have been killed in car accidents, hit by a car as a pedestrian or killed at home by homicide or accident? Like it or not, school is the safest place for a child, the oh-so-rare school shootings included.
Your reasoning is not realistic or logical. You cannot compare accidents in daily life to intentional homicides. "The oh so rare school shooting." What if it is your kid? Do you have kids? Are you capable of empathy?
Yes, I have kids. My empathy is balanced by my understanding of probability and statistics. They attend K-12 schools, and I know that the odds of them being murdered at school are about 1/3 the chances of them being killed by lightning. They are in much more danger by being driven to school, walking around the neighborhood or riding their bicycles. We have 300+ million guns. We have 50 million K-12 school children attending 130,000 schools 180 days a year. There are about 4 kids of K-12 age, on average, killed in those 130,00 schools open 180 days each year. What possible law(s) could reduce the infinitesimal chance of dying in a school shooting to zero?
So you are willing to take the chance with your kids? Now, keep in mind that we cannot eliminate from life lightning strikes and other natural disasters or bathroom accidents and other types of accidents with things we use and need in daily life. So we have no choice about that. But we do have a choice about taking a chance with our children's safety regarding an intruder going into the school and murdering a high number of students in a few seconds. We have a choice. I honestly don't understand why any parent is willing to take the chance when something can be done. I honestly don't understand. One thing that is interesting is that America is the only country in the developed world, in the affluent, modern, first world, that is willing to take that chance with our kids--no matter what the odds. No other country at our level of advancement, education, etc., is willing to take that chance with our kids. Interesting. What do you think the rest of the world is thinking, the rest of the modern, developed world, our contemporaries...what do you think they are thinking when they see these school massacres and other massacres at malls, churches, universities, night clubs, concerts, and so on? And please don't talk about acts of terror, because everyone is doing everything they can to prevent acts of terror: we are not doing anything to prevent these massacres.
How does that work Thelma? What if the shooter decides on using a shotgun which is statistically far more dangerous? What if the next one decides to use a pistol or even two pistols.
We have gun free zone signs in every single school in America. Why? What are you proposing to prevent anyone from bringing any gum onto any school campus in America and killing somebody?
Getting the type of guns that are used off the market or at least not available to kids under 21. Doing what they do in Israel (where teachers are not armed, BTW), which is having only one unlocked entrance to every school and that entrance manned by 1-2 armed guards. Metal detectors at that entrance. Electronic badges for students and staff to wear going into and out of the school. Apparently the school in Parkland had outdoor entrances to the classes? Or at least to each wing/hallway of the school. American schools are spread out all over the place. There are many entrances. I've taught overseas in schools with walls around them. It doesn't feel like a prison. I think we need to put fences or walls around schools where the halls or classes have outside entrances. Something has to be done. I don't think doing nothing is a reasonable option. I read that the reason inner city schools don't have these shootings is because of the one entrance, metal detector thing. That would keep out knives too. I think the costs should be paid for with higher taxes on the sale of weapons.
Every single type of gun has been used in mass shootings and school shootings. Handguns are by far the most commonly used for both. Do you wish to take handguns off the market? Do you wish to ban possession and ownership of them afterwards?
People like Thelma and Ron want to roll back concealed carry back to when very few States issued licenses, and becoming a victim of crime was more likely. The knock em out game ceased only when folks started shooting the knock em out jokers. Some people think others do not have a Right to defend themselves. The relatives of Aderic White for example. CRIME 11/22/2013 09:32 am ET Family Of Adric White, Robbery Suspect, Outraged At Good Samaritan Who Shot Him The family members of a robbery suspect that held a store employee at gunpoint in Alabama are lashing out at the Good Samaritan who shot him and stopped the robbery. Adric White, 18, was shot five times after he allegedly tried to hold up a Family Dollar store in Mobile on Nov. 12. FOX10 spoke exclusively to both the unnamed Good Samaritan and the family members of White. They’re livid that their son was shot while pointing a gun in someone’s face. “If [the customer’s] life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him - what gives him the right to think that it’s okay to just shoot someone?” a relative, who wished to remain anonymous, told FOX10. “You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever.” But when the suspect pulled out a gun at about 5:30 p.m., the Good Samaritan did too. “He had the gun to his head. He had him on his knees,” said the Good Samaritan, who wished to remain anonymous. “I drew my gun on him and I said ‘Hey don’t move.’ At that point he swung around and before he had a chance to aim the gun at me I fired. I didn’t want to shoot him.” The man shot White five times. He was taken to USA Medical Center, where he remains in police custody."
I don't know specifically which guns should be banned or at least not available to people under 21. I leave that up to the lawmakers who will do their research on it and be advised by experts. I think doing nothing at all is insane.
Two names for you: DeGette and de Leon. Anti-gun lawmakers don't do research and don't depend upon science to make gun laws.
