Why the Confederate flag still flies in South Carolina

Plenty of minds are being changed. There are many people in the South that are reconsidering what the Confederate flag represents. That's great news for all the good hearted people in the world. Sad news for you guys.

 

Just the PC lemmings who cant think for themselves to begin with. So, apparently good hearted means to dishonor the memory of the fallen heroes that are the ancestors of so many southerners. Heroes like Generals Lee, Longstreet, and "Stonewall" Jackson are legends and icons in the south, and you want hide the flag they flew under. That would be like pissing on Martin Luther King's grave. You wonder why race tensions get so high, it is because of BS political stunts like this. People use a tragedy comitted by a lone madman, and try to use it to erase the memories of our nation's past. It is ridiculous.

 

"Wouldn't recognize liberty"? That's a good one. The Confederate flag flew at one time in the faces of those who had never seen liberty in their lives. And you are the one calling others useful idiots who wouldn't recognize liberty? Just when I thought I'd read it all, now I know I haven't read it all.

 

Yes, the "North" has a bad history, too. I grew up in a college town in OR and I can still remember the lodges being white only as well as some other institutions. There is plenty of guilt to go around.

But, the US flag stands for liberty for all. The KKK may fly our flag, but there is an established difference between the US and the KKK, and they have not managed to hijack our flag. Others tried to hi-jack our flag for partisan purposes during the Vietnam war - some wearing it on their butts while others gave it the "our flag, love it or leave it" caption and used it to promote killing Vietnamese. Our flag still stands for something better than that.

I'm not saying it's fair. You're right that I'm only the judge for me.

I like your picture. That banner could be hi-jacked back.

Maybe SC could have a "not with my flag" campaign of some sort, or somehow connect it to equality in voting or personal safety of all people. Speaking just for me, I'd say the flag could be taken by those who broadly share the values of equality and acceptance - or for anything you think was particularly important about the confederacy.

 

The sad part is that it never represented racism until recent years when the democrat party decided to use it as another way to shame people. I have a lot of family in Tennessee and find it odd that such an instrument to represent racism is flown in the yards and on homes of black people in large numbers. Just like the people I know, I'm betting those folks see it as a source of pride for them being from the south. After all, why would so many black people fly it if it represents such hate against them?

This is just another faux outrage, just like they decided flying the US flag was somehow offensive to others. It's really insanity, and letting the TV tell us what to be mad at is just getting old (on both sides of the aisle) because so many just fall lock-step into allegiance instead of using critical thinking to find out. If that flag really represented bigotry, racism and hate of black people, even white people in large numbers would be outraged. Most of us don't hate black people, after all.

 

You guys?? What do you mean by that in relation to me? Say anything more and you'll find yourself pissing up a rope more than you already are.

Gotta love the stereotyping of some folks.

 

The funny thing is race tensions now are so soft in relation to race tensions throughout American history. They might be worse than a decade ago, but come on, things were really bad from 1776 to 1960 when it came to race relations, lol.

And this act wasn't by a "lone madman". It was the result of millions of people that share Roof's opinions on blacks in America. He had an agenda that he learned from perusing Internet sites like this. Just a pure hatred for blacks, exactly what the Confederate flag represents. It has to come down, and it will. The fact he went in to a church in the South to do this really killed the agenda. Church's are powerful in the South and if white evangelical leaders start coming out against the flag, it is going to come down. It is associated with too much evil and hatred now. No longer anything to take pride in.

 

Ummm, wasn't rocket science. You guys that support the Confederacy and what it represents.

 

It was the stars and stripes flying on the boats that brought them over here.

Next ..... or are you all out of dumbassery?

 

What the Confederacy represents to me is quite different that what it represents to you. For you, it's a place to park your hate. I'm not a hater. Feel free to revel in your ignorance, though.

 

Nah, it's a symbol of hate and intolerance. I'm not parking any hate there, I'm not a racist nor do I support the message the Confederacy was all about. It will come down though. You guys supporting it definitely aren't making it look any better. There is no reason to take pride in a movement to make America an intolerant and bigoted country. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

The Stars and Bars were not ever an official flag for anyone.

 

If the State of NY flew this flag on our state house, as a sign of respect to our colonial ancestors, it would be called a sign of treason.

 

For twenty years. Then it was outlawed, and the South was homegrowin' 'em.

Even had breeding farms.

 

Regardless, the Battle Flag is the most recognizable flag of the raping, slaver treacherous rebels who thought they could create a country dedicated to protecting and expanding black human bondage.

 

You are equating the government to the SCOTUS. The government consists of 3 branches, and they don't always have to agree.

 

That is incorrect. Were their states in north that had decided to not send slaves back...yes, however the Federal government was sending captured runaway slaves back to the south on a routine basis. The fact that state authorities were not doing it does not mean the Federal Government was defying the Constitution. It means that some local governments were telling their authorities to defy the return decree. This is akin to several states telling their law enforcement to not to turn over undocumented workers. Many people in the north found the Dred Scott ruling to be unconscionable. Therefore on moral grounds refused to turn over runaway slaves. The Federal Government though continued the practice. To say that the north was violating the Constitution because of a moral stance to a dubious Supreme Court Ruling is just farcical. Especially when Federal authorities continued to return slaves. Besides northern states were doing that well before the 1861. Which means that if that was the reason S. Carolina seceded they would have done it well before 1861. They didn't because that was not the reason they seceded. They seceded because the people of the U.S. legally elected a President from a party whose major plank was abolition of slavery. That is why they seceded. To suggest otherwise is again revisionist bull.... history.

 

I find these racism threads revealing.... It just goes to show how ignorant and racist some people are,,,, who are the exact same people who call themselves "conservatives".

 

Yes, those men are heroes to White southern racists, but they are not heroes to anyone else. And if you make them out to be heroes, then I know what you are.

And if you think that the confederate flag is anything but a symbol of slavery, then that is your problem... Why don't you go to Germany and tell them that the Swastika is their heritage and they should fly it above their government buildings. Because that is just the same thing... Only people who support the swastika today are idiots, just like the people who support the confederate flag and call it "heritage", rather than a stain on this nation.

 

We'll, seeing the you haven't explained your version of how to recognize liberty, I am now convinced that you haven't a clue of what liberty even is. By changing the narrative to folks traveling in boats with stars and stripes, gives new meaning to the word you believe I am out of, because you never explained how one is supposed to recognize liberty.

 

This here conservative double dog dares ya to point to anything he's said here that's reasonably characterized as either ignorant or racist.

 

A non-answer to a question not asked is not changing the narrative. Those 'folks traveling in boats' were slaves on what is known as the Middle Passage, with the stars and stripes waving in the breeze.

 

You were claiming others were useful idiots because they couldn't recognize liberty. I don't think the Confederates had any idea what it was back in the day, but maybe you can explain it to me in case I am wrong. And I'm pretty sure the slaves had no idea either. I just thought since you seem to be an expert, I'm sure the good folks who support the confederacy and the flag today, and the descendants of slaves, would love to hear your take on how to recognize liberty today? Me included? And seeing that you side tracked the conversation to talk about stars and stripes, and slaves on boats, I'm not sure you are in a position to explain it. But I would love to know how you recognize liberty.

Another question would be on learning to recognize liberty, seeing that one of the definitions of liberty, "is the right of doing", and since South Carolina has streets named after Confederate hero's portraying wallpaper racism, can the blacks exercise their liberties too in South Carolina by putting up street signs of Union hero's who ultimately freed them from bondage? Would that be kind of like recognizing liberty to you too?

 

No, that's not what I said. Your reading comprehension sucks. Given that, it's a waste of time to try to explain anything to you. Besides, just because you say "frog" doesn't mean I jump.

BTW, here is exactly what I said earlier. No where do I use the word 'because'. As I said, your reading comprehension sucks. Either that, or else you enjoy twisting others words to suit yourself and the little voices in your head. Either way, you're a waste of time.

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What I said earlier:

Like I really care what a bunch of useful idiots that wouldn't recognize liberty if it bit them on the ass thinks. No minds are being changed and I'm certainly not going to waste my time in a futile attempt to do so.

 

Sure because there is no bigotry in the 49 other states