Why would I worship and love a "God" who ordered infanticide?

They were copying other stories they had heard. Doctrine is really easy to keep straight compared with biographical data when you are talking about an illiterate populace who couldn't tell Galilee from Gaul.

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The Nicene creed wasn't created until centuries later. And Josephus's writings about Jesus are widely held to be forgeries.

 

LOL - what an idiotic comparison. Innocents caught in the cross fire is not the same as when God orders the murder of innocents. Try again.

 

That's simply not true nor is it logical. Keeping one or two doctrines intact and without contradiction over the course of oral tradition in different areas between literally thousands of people would be a monumental feat and a near impossibility. Keepin hundreds of them without contradiction in oral history would be an absolute impossibility.

 

Yes.

In the past, burning entire towns with populations included,- instead of taking prisoners- was a measure to clean up the area from diseases.

Same it appears was the reason to kill the entire population of Amalekites. Probably their customs was to have intercourse with animals and homosexuality, causing the contamination to the population in general.

Today, the best example of mass killing as preventive measurement is the mad cow disease. You find one cow with this disease and thousands and thousands of them must be killed to prevent further infections.

 

Probably? That is some crazy speculation.. Do you have ANY evidence that all the other Canaanites were "diseased or perverted"? The problem was they were settled and prosperous.

 

No one said the Nicene Creed. I'm referring to the Christian Creed.

And Josephus writings about Jesus weren't forgeries.

 

So there ARE contradictions between Luke, Matthew, Mark, and John?

So if "events" in the Gospels can be contradictory....yet you accept them. Why can't events be contradictory in Samuel...and you accept that?

 

The account you're speaking of is a creation myth taught to illiterate herdsman to keep them united as a people in the face of overwhelming adversity and outside persecution.

It is not an historical account and never really purports to be. It is a metaphor.

The Amalekites never really existed. Archaeology finds no evidence for them. They are a metaphor for the ways the Hebrews were before the Doctrines of the One God, Jehovah, became their guiding Deity

The metaphor is naturally a rather brutal and extreme one. These were a brutal people living in a brutal time, they would accept little else as sufficient to make them change their ways completely

 

How dare you cloud this conversation using logic and facts?! We don't need you making sense while using human reasoning up in here!

 

By the time the church had expanded beyond Palestine and Asia Minor, it had been written down. We aren't talking that large an area.

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What exactly is the "Christian Creed"?

 

I accept them as long as they're not contradictory to the doctrine of Jesus.

 

Dumbest thing I ever heard.. The Canaanite towns were involved in pottery making, mining and smelting as well as having herds.. They paid tribute to Egypt and were pretty civilized.

Trying to kill the other Canaanite tribes and demonizing them was politics and justification for land theft.

 

It's logical to kill infants because adults practice homosexuality?

 

The Christian Creed has eye witness testimonials of Jesus Christ after his death. Also has a bunch of other pieces of information. You should Google it.

Because an infectious child can still spread disease. Were you aware of that?

 

No they do not. None of the Gospels were written by eyewitnesses. They are all at best third hand information.

 

So God thought of CHILDREN as "diseased animals"?!?!?

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What "logic"? That God thought of CHILDREN as "diseased animals" that needed to be utterly destroyed???

 

You make it sound as if archaeologists knew the Canaanite culture, traditions and ceremonies. Of course they didn't. The only record of anything like that is written in the bible, and it was the bible that tipped us off to their existence in the first place. Now that we've found them (credit goes to the bible), then we can assume that whatever else the bible mentioned about them is also true. This includes contracting diseases from animals and spreading it to their children and other Canaanites.

Margot, I thought you liked to research topics like this? Why aren't you doing that now?

This is the dumbest question I've read all day.

 

Yes, archeologists know a great deal about the Canaanites and their culture... Some of their towns have been excavated and show no signs at all of any disturbance.. Plus, there are Egyptian records. Joshua is a gross exaggeration per usual.

 

If it's in a book, that should be the first red flag. For if god really wanted to have a relationship with human beings, he sure would not use a book, written by man to communicate with them.

It's a con job, a very old one. And when you look at what the men have done, who believed in that book, and the god in it, one can only think that the book should be burned. Man doesn't need any help in his evil ways. He can work his evil just fine without saying god told him to do it.

A genuine religious mind doesn't need or use a book.

 

Seems like using a book to communicate with man worked for billions of people.

You talk about book burning too. You're the type of person who believes in censorship. Kinda like those atheistic regimes like Soviet Russia.

But they do not know their customs. Just admit it. Its nearly impossible for scientists to figure out an extinct culture's customs.

I didn't say the gospels. I said the Creed. You seem awfully confused right now.

 

What diseases were infants catching from adults supposedly practicing homosexuality?

The fact that you are performing apologetics to justify the murder of infants should be a red flag to you about your religion.

 

Reminds me of WanRen who came up with "baby cannibalism" to "explain" how there were "no children drowned in Noah's Flood".

 

Post your evidence for this supposed creed.

 

Seems like you don't know much about the Canaanites.
The Canaanites had mass orgies with each other. They engaged in homosexuality, bestialities and incest. It was natural to have sex with an animal and then turn around and impregnate another human being.

Do you know how viruses work? Viruses are parasites that work in harmony with the host. When they are inside of a host that they are incompatible with, the host gets sick and sometimes dies. Viruses don't try to kill its hosts, but the virus can't help it if its inside an incompatible host. This is what happened with AIDS. AIDS was originally inside certain African chimps (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS). It somehow got inside of a human, and then it spread from there.

Another example is the Swine Flu. It's called the Swine Flu because the virus is found in pigs. It's compatible to pigs, so it doesn't kill them, but it's totally incompatible to humans, and thus, make humans sick. Same with the Bird Flu and several other viral diseases.

The lesson learned today is that viruses come from animals. When you have sex with animals and then with humans on the constant basis like the Canaanites done, you're asking to spread harmful diseases. Do you understand now? The infants were infected with disease. There were no doctors back in those days. What could they have done?

 

Back up your claim these infants were infected with diseases with scripture.