Why you can't have an honest or civil conversation with most racists

We'd need to check the local ordinances—the decisions that community made about what was required of folks who want to do business there.

I guess it's possible, but I've never seen such a law.



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Honestly I get sick and tired of the hypocrisy. You walk into the store and on the magazine shelves there are magazines like Black Stars, Black Hairstyles, Jet, Ebony, etc. When Merle Haggard passes away - and he won every award you can with country music, it was a two minute tribute on the evening news. When Prince goes, it's most of the newscast for days.

The blacks get the best paying jobs in entertainment and many of the high paying jobs in sports. They can belong to ANY group they want and that's their "right." The blacks can be Muslims - the same religion that Osama bin Laden belonged to when he quoted is the fifth verse of the ninth sura, long known to Muslims as the “Sword verse as justification to kill all Christians.

Where I work, the company hires predominantly black people and they listen to radio stations hosted by black talk show hosts. Nobody has a problem with any of it. OTOH, let a white guy stand up and find fault with the one sided equation and he is a hate mongering white racist. The double standard doesn't amuse me.

When I complain about the situation, it doesn't balance itself out, but most people have better sense than to challenge me. I can and will defend my position. Calling me a nazi, bigot or racist is something a person with a limited IQ or higher would never say to my face.

I'm not impressed with the double standard. You buy crap from China and ONLY Chinese occupy the seat of government. There are more Hispanics in the county I live in then there are white and black Chinese citizens. The ONLY objections you see to racism are when it is practiced by whites - even if it's done in order to preserve their culture.

The dishonesty and double standards that the egalitarians make to support their insane viewpoint isn't very impressive. Discrimination is okay provided that it is done by the non-white. The narrative is that whites, unless they are forcibly integrated into the black culture, are a cancer on humanity. No viewpoint can be any more racist, bigoted or idiotic - regardless of how you try to spin it or sugar coat it.

What you're promoting on this board is socialism. The government can pass unconstitutional laws all day long, but you will lose - ultimately. No one has to obey unconstitutional laws.

 

You object to people having a right to choose their own religion? Or just black people having that right?



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Nice rant, but look, you are a racist. Why not just admit it? This is what I was talking about in the OP about not being able to have an honest or civil conversation with a racist. There is nothing unconstitutional about laws that enforce fairness in business and Black racism isn't tolerated by society any more than White racism. You are basically complaining because your racism isn't socially acceptable any more. I hate racism with a passion so I have no sympathy for you.

 

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Yeh, lets just ignore population statistics, social demography and demography...
That's logical

As for your "white people are stupid" remark, it has no quantifiers. If you would have said, statistically, white people have less educational attainment than Asians then you would have a true assessment.

I understand you want people to be "judged" individually and I agree but that will not stop behavioral and population analytics from occurring. Do you agree with the statement, "Blacks are at an increased risk of sickle-cell anemia than than other ethnicities"? I guess we should disband demographic medical research also...

 

*shrug* Statistically there are stupid white people. (Actually, more people in the U.S. with below average IQ are white than other "races".) Even if that wasn't the case, white people are stupid. No, not all... but some. And — like you — I didn't say all. Are we going to blame stupidity and crime on skin color?

I am not asking you to judge anyone. I am saying judgement of a race is foolish... because a race is not a collective. More financial crime is a result of white people, but that doesn't mean being white makes you more likely to embezzle. And choosing that silly correlation rather than looking for an actual cause will lead to unreliable results and unfair judgements.

If two people do not both have the sickle cell anemia predisposition, it doesn't matter whether their skin is black or white. They have zero risk of transmitting that disorder to their child. Regardless of whether you decide to call that child white or black. If you really want a predictor for either SCA or crime, look for actual causes.




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I don't give two hoots in Hades what religion others have. I'm pointing out that society tolerates it, but finds it distasteful if whites have a religion that is not all inclusive.

 

Society is people. We don't regulate what people think, we limit what they do though. Folks have a right to their tastes, there is just limits to what they can do about those preferences. Regardless of their skin color.




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For all your crowing about how smart you are, you just played the part of a mental midget. We'll give you a second chance.

If you implied that I'm a racist like a neo - Nazi, Darwinian, supremacist then you'd have to be a stark raving idiot, not a man who understands the concept of race as it inaccurately applied by society. Let me draw you an analogy:

White supremacists believe that since undocumented foreigners violate a civil violation of law, they are criminals. Try arguing the point and they will call you a left wing, open borders, race traitor, liberal. That's the extent of their IQ. Your reasoning was equally flawed. But, yes, if I notice that there is Black History month in a country where the average high school graduate cannot tell you who authored their Constitution, that makes me a "racist" as far as you're concerned.

The problem is, you hide behind this facade wherein you believe you have a monopoly on human virtue and are somehow entitled to YOUR version of the subject. In fact what you postulate is just as racist as any theory the KKK, nazis, and Tea Party can come up with. You are no less a racist than they are. As we always say in America - it takes one to know one. The difference is, you aren't hurting my feelings by telling me something half of my critics call me (while the other half swear and be damned that I'm in the same boat with you.)

 

Okay, enough of the political platitudes. Cite me the case wherein Muslims were forced to change their religious tenets or have their non-profit status revoked.

 

Don't they have something about stoning women who have sex out of wedlock? (or is that Christians?) If the religion conflicts with the law, the religion looses.



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You know what I found interesting about this topic. The author says you cannot have an honest or civil conversation with racists. Then racists come out from the non-white side wit a narrative that says if you disagree with them, you are the racist.

The fact that in my exchanges, the first time anyone got called a name was me speaks volumes. When some guy does not preface his skepticism in the form of a question (as opposed to an offensive allegation), it shows their lack of intelligence AND honesty. It's perfectly acceptable to find fault with the opinion of others, but not necessarily the motives of an individual.

Again, I get tired of the racism debate because it's always about white racists. Just once on my job I've wanted any black guy to ask the whites if there were something they wanted to hear on the radio other than "their" music. It is kind of like Abraham asking God if he would keep his promises if only ONE were righteous (see Gen. Chapt 18.) Only, in this case, I could not find the righteous. I only find condemnation for showing that the non-whites have as much a racist predisposition as the whites.

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Did you mean to say loses? To be more accurate - and fair, politics is religion in action. You artfully dodged my challenge. Truth getting a bit uncomfortable for you?

 

Yes, my spelling is bad. Thanks for the correction. I don't agree with your definition though. Politics is about people finding a way to work together, even when they don't agree on everything. It's kind of the opposite of religion. (imo)




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racism /ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior​

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Would you provide the evidence there are more low IQ whites than low IQ blacks in the US?

Low IQ <=70​

 

All you are doing is whining about being called a racist and falsely accusing me of being what you are. That's called projecting e.g. "I know you are but what am I?"

This line of argument is immature and dishonest. I'm not a racist I am an Egalitarian who combats racism on the internet. This is a fact that is supported by my post history. Any suggestion that I am a racist is dishonest which only supports my contention that you can have an honest or civil conversation with most racists. Now I haven't really paid attention to your posts so I don't know if you are an advocate of Scientific Racism (so-called Race-Realist). Are you? What is your opinion on race and intelligence? Rather than make assumptions I will let you outline your position on that subject. See how fair I am? I don't label people without just cause. If I charge someone with being a racist it is because they are actually saying something racist.

 

I have never advocated judgment of a race; acknowledging that per capita black people commit more violent crime, have higher chances of being brought up in fatherless homes, have lower educational attainment, are more likely to be infected with HIV/AIDS, ect than other races is fact.
It is not opinion. It is not racist. It is FACT

It is not some "silly correlation" that should be ignored. All of these events have a significant role in determining and hopefully alleviating these issues for future generations. Simply ignoring them as racist will not sort out the root cause and does nothing but postpone understanding.

No, skin color does not cause this; if it did our chief cardiac surgeon would not hold his position, we would not have black ceo's and actors, the most powerful man in the world would not be black - but you cannot deny that overall black families are much more likely to experience these events than another race.

 

No, I won't. If you test all the white people in the country—using whatever criteria you like and average your results—half will be above the average you get and half below it. Do the same for black people. Folks who self-identify as white are about 5 times as common.

There are more below average whites than below average blacks in this country.




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It is a silly correlation. If skin color does not cause these problems, then your statistics are not linked to the property you are measuring.

Take a family that identifies as black, you'll get one set of numbers. The next day that family may respond to a census and identify as white. Nothing about that family has changed, except your label. And now your statistics are different. That's the poster child for a valueless statistic.

If you honestly want to sort out the root cause look for a real correlation. You'll never get there as long as you are distracting yourself with a property you've already accepted has no causal relationship.




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Except whites have higher average IQ than blacks. Can you show there are more low IQ whites than low IQ blacks?

 

That's not what I claimed, so no I'm not going to do that. I was attempting to illustrate a meaningless statistic. You want to spiral into a deeper exploration of the meaningless, do it without my help.



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And, sport, you ARE saying things that are racist. I'm not whining about a damn thing. If you want to call me a racist, that is your prerogative. It does not necessarily make you right. Then again, you are a legend in your own mind.

If you have an advantage over other races (as pointed out with my many examples) then, in MY view of racism, you would be racist not to acknowledge the double standard... and that was the case with our exchange.

Now, according to the definition given regarding racism, it means that a person must believe they are superior. In what sentence on this thread did I claim that the white race was superior? Yet, all the while, your arrogant arse has been trying to tell us how infallible you are. If anyone is immature and dishonest, it is the guy you see in the mirror every morning.

What is really a joke, pal, is that you have the audacity to call me names, then ask me questions to prove I'm not as you allege. Talk about racist arrogance!!!! So, have you stopped beating your wife?

 

EJ has threatened to rape a female member on another forum. I personally could care less what he thinks. His strategy is to call anyone racist who questions his arguments as he has doneon this forum to everyone who has.

 

You claimed there are more low IQ whites than low IQ blacks then fled when asked to support your statement. It doesn't seem facts matter to you.

 

Your insinuation that I am asking you a loaded question is more dishonesty. You are a racist going by the definition that defines it as hatred or intolerance based on race. You clearly do not like Black people and play the victim whining about supposed advantages Blacks have that were as ridiculous as complaining that Blacks can be a member of any religion they want and that a prominent musician got too my attention on TV for his death. Now I know that racists have a tendency to be dishonest but at least try to have a honest conversation here. Can you at least try? Don't dodge the question. You brought up the claim that I think you are a Neo-Nazi, Darwinian, White Supremacist type so do you or do you not advocate Scientific Racism? If you do then you fit the definition of a racist. But if you don't and you declare it now then I will not accuse you of being a racial supremacist at the very least. So what are your thoughts on race and racial differences particularly differences in intelligence?

Telling a racist whore you are going to rape her doesn't count as a threat. Racists do not have any rights that an Egalitarian ought to respect. If you are now claiming you are not a racist after years of being a Rushton sycophant you are not only dishonest but delusional.