Will Trump step aside and hand the reins to Pence?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by thinkitout, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. After Hours

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    Which is why we are screwed. Pence is both much more conservative AND intelligent than Trump, which ultimately makes him more dangerous.

    And the establishment GOP loves Pence. They respect him, while they loathe Trump.

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    Good.

    Hillary sucks, and should be embarrassed for losing to Donald freakin' Trump of all people. The Clinton's need to go away for the betterment of the Democratic party.
     
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    While I highly doubt what you think, the left is going to love the new Dick Cheney. :roflol:
     
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    You guys keep saying this, but you do realize that Trump received roughly the same support Romney and previous GOP candidates received, right? You do realize that Hillary under performed Obama in 2008 and 2012, right? Trump was elected because the Democrats failed to support their candidate the way the Republicans did their's. That's all there is to it.

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    Just keep in mind...last time the GOP ran the show...you got Obama...who won in a REAL landslide in 2008. Be careful what you wish for.
     
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    That's what happens when you throw crap on the wall like Gore, Kerry, the Skankipotimus and hope something sticks. Sorry for your luck. It was their turn!
     
  5. thinkitout

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    I REALLY don't want EITHER of them.
     
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    Funny you mention Gore. It reminds me of the fact that the last two GOP presidents elected actually lost the popular vote. I don't think you comprehend how that could be very detrimental to your party in the long run. But hey, enjoy your short lived victory.
     
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    Gore's snowflake/nutjob popular vote tally then (16 years ago) really hurt this year. :eyepopping: And I doubt it will be detrimental when Mexico pays for that wall and burkas are denied entry. Common sense prevailed and no participation trophies will be issued for quite a while. Mainstream America has had a gut full of this BS, thank God for the Electoral College saving us from urban insanity. :clapping:
     
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    "Mainstream America" as you call it, just voted for a big government liberal from New York...all because he told them he was going to build a wall.

    "Mainstream America", as you call it, are apparently gullible dolts.
     
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    Mainstream America said FU to the Queen Skankipotimus of political correctness and Goldman Sachs. Sorry for your luck.
     
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    If he is not assassinated - not wise to ping off your guards because they may not be as vigilant as you would wish
     
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    You make a good point. Trump probably should have followed Obama's judgement and made Biden his VP. That's one hell of an insurance policy to not be whacked.:roflol:
     
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    You are under the assumption that I like Hillary Clinton. I don't at all. None of the changes the fact that Trump is a piece of garbage. And Goldman Sachs? LOL, they love Trump:http://wallstreetonparade.com/2017/...ame-the-overlord-of-the-trump-administration/

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    Actually, Biden could have beaten Trump.
     
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    You don't know crap fro, Shinola. When Donald J. sets his mind to a project, he completes the project. At this point his project goes on to at least 4 years and at best 8 years down the road. As a businessman he knows that the Progressive knives are out to get him both politically and physically. He won't quit.....
     
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    Well along those lines, a fence post could have beaten the Skankipotimus. The Dims should have just given that one BILLION dollars to the federal coffers so the WALL would become a reality. That would have paid for a nice fence (and barbed razor wire for California) :clapping:
     
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    Sorry, you got 'em. So which would you rather have at the helm?
     
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    If Nate Silver makes the same prediction it means Trump will be in office for 8 years.
     
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    Leftism are not cool when they're dead. :cool:
     
  18. After Hours

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    Nate Silver accurately predicted the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections, and gave Trump a 30% chance of winning, higher than anyone else. Silver also argued that Trump had a better chance than Hillary at winning the electoral college while losing the popular vote. Turns out...he was right.
     
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    Here's more:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/...e-trump-from-office-before-hes-even-sworn-in/

    WaPo writer ponders how to “remove Trump from office” before he’s even sworn in
    posted at 12:31 pm on January 10, 2017 by Jazz Shaw

    Just in case you were wondering whether the owners of the Washington Post learned anything from the last election and their failure to stop America from voting for Donald Trump, fear not. They haven’t. If there was any sort of change coming to the editorial board, they probably wouldn’t have given a green light to Richard Cohen’s column this week which carries the not very ambiguous title of, “⦁ How to remove Trump from office.”
    Let’s leave aside for a moment the somewhat inconvenient fact that Donald Trump isn’t even in the office yet. What was the thinking going on inside the hallowed halls of the WaPo when they approved an editorial like this? And just to be clear, this isn’t some provocative guest piece submitted by a troublemaker to spur a national conversation. Cohen has been writing for the Post literally since Richard Nixon’s first term in office. He was doing regular opinion pieces for them in the Metro section since Jimmy Carter was elected and has been a permanent fixture in the op-eds since Reagan’s first term. To claim that he’s not representative of the voice and vision of the newspaper is nonsense. And what is his opinion of the incoming President of the United States? The first paragraph says it all. (Emphasis added)
    Donald Trump is a one-man basket of deplorables. He is a braggart and a liar. He is a bully and a demagogue. He is an ignoramus and a deadbeat, a chiseler and either a sincere racist or an insincere one, and his love for himself is matched only by my loathing of him. He is about to be president of the United States. A constitutional coup may be in the offing.
    I suppose all of that blathering about respecting the office even if you don’t respect the man only counts if the man is a Democrat, huh? But enough about Cohen’s history and built in biases. Since he’s taken time out of his busy day to suggest that Trump needs to be evicted from the Oval Office, how does he propose to go about doing it? Getting him on any High Crimes and Misdemeanors is a tall order, as Cohen himself concedes. So is there another path? According to the author there is indeed, and it’s found in the 25th Amendment.
    Under the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, the vice president, together with a “majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide” can remove the president for being “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” No doubt the mere mention of incapacitation would summon a horde of lawyers to Washington to contest it or the meaning of every term.
    But it is plain that the 25th Amendment does give a role to Cabinet members that is not generally considered when they are up for confirmation. This time, however, they should all be asked whether they are aware of the 25th Amendment and, if need be, whether they would be willing to implement it.

    If you want an example of early onset Trump Derangement Syndrome, this is one case which almost demands that medical authorities be rushed to Cohen’s home immediately to save him from himself. There’s something seriously disturbing going on inside this man’s mind. How else to explain a person who has been covering government affairs longer than many readers today have been alive going so far off the beam on one of the more fundamental premises in the Constitution and its amendments?
    The 25th is in place for a very clear reason, covering a small number of specific scenarios, and it has almost nothing to do with forcibly ejecting a president you don’t care for and who hasn’t done anything illegal which might merit impeachment. (We’ll get to the one exception to that in a moment.) The first two clauses of the 25th Amendment deal with a President who either dies or is removed from office via impeachment or resignation and they are well documented. The third clause covers when a President voluntarily transfers the powers of his office to the Vice President temporarily. This has happened three times in American history, once by Reagan and twice by George W. Bush.
    The fourth and final clause is the one Cohen is talking about. Its primary purpose was obviously intended to cover a case where the President suddenly experiences some problem – most likely a severe medical emergency – rendering him unable to serve. The Vice President, along with a majority of cabinet members, can meet and vote to declare him unable to serve. They then send a letter to the President pro tempore of the Senate declaring their decision and the Veep takes over the duties. But as soon as the President feels he is ready to resume his service, he can transmit a corresponding letter and take the office back without asking anyone’s permission.
    The sole exception provided in the fourth clause is the hypothetical case where the Vice President disagrees that the President is capable of dispatching his duties and – again, along with a majority of the cabinet – sends a contradicting letter stating his objection. Congress then has to vote on the matter to decide.
    What Cohen doesn’t take into account is the fact that the cabinet can’t do it on their own even if they wanted to. The action has to be initiated by the Vice President. Does he really think Mike Pence would go along with this sort of intentionally inflicted constitutional crisis even under the worst imaginable circumstances? And as a final note, Cohen fails to point out that none of this actually “removes the president from office.” Trump would still be the President of the United States under such a scenario, with Pence only serving as the Acting President of the United States.
    But now that we’ve covered all of that nonsense, let’s close with a callback to the original question I posed. Exactly how unhinged are the senior members of the Washington Post staff in terms of Trump Derangement Syndrome? I’m guessing that this will be widely reflected in their newsroom coverage over the next four years. I’d be thrilled to be proven wrong, but you probably shouldn’t bet too heavily against me.
     
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    Trump won because the Dems ran Clinton.
    Blame the DNC.
     
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    No.

    Study shows the mood-enhancing effect of revenge. "....tested the idea that social rejection, by making us feel wounded and unwanted, triggers a need to repair our mood by whatever means available, including through the satisfaction of causing harm to those who have made us suffer. They found that aggression can indeed be a viable method of mood repair."

    Trump calls it "Unwounding"

    http://medicalxpress.com/news/2017-01-mood-enhancing-effect-revenge.html
     
  22. thinkitout

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    So, who is the vengeful wounded outcast???
     
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    We'll talk about this again in a year. . . .
     
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    I don't really know; I know what to expect with Pence, but Trump is so unpredictable that it's scary.
     
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    You might just as well say it's a coin toss, double or nothing.
     

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