Will women support Hillary for President this time around?

Gender has no bearing on my vote. If I have no confidence in a candidate and don't trust a candidate, I would not vote for that candidate, whether it be a man or a woman.

 

Well I was responding to your post.

 

she's as crooked as a dog's busted back leg..........
Hillary fired the US ambassador to Kenya over using private email in 2011. So you can add hypocrite to her list of sins.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...-scott-gration

 

Back in 2008 I spent quite a bit of time posting to a feminist's political forum of sorts and it was fascinating to watch them split along philosophical and ideological lines where Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama were concerned with the younger women almost universally experiencing leg tingling Obmagasms over Barack while the older and usually more grim feminists pointing out that a fluking damn feminist ought to consider voting for the woman candidate whom -- unlike Barack Obama -- actually championed the feminist cause.

But the younger -- self proclaimed -- feminists KNEW that Barack would be all over key feminist issues once he became president BECAUSE he was youngish and handsome (for a given definition of both aspects) and had a deeply melodious speaking voice and dreamy mocha-latte skin tone to cream their jeans over and besides which Hillary was OLD.

Yeah . . . in the end it appeared that the younger and older feminists split along those lines. I thought that it was both tragic and hilarious. Go figure.

Okay . . . snark aside there was one more rather grotesque issue involved in the younger feminists splitting from the older in regards to Hillary versus Barack and that was racism. It became evident over time that the younger -- mostly White and almost all relatively affluent -- feminists wanted to prove to their sister Black and Brown feminists that in their eyes the issue of race (Obama was a Black man after all) was simply more ideologically important to them as LIBERAL feminists (and were there any other sort prior to the rise of a certain female Alaskan governor?) than any mere feminist issues or causes could ever possibly be. So an important reason for younger White feminists to support Barack Obama over Hillary back in 2008 was to demonstrate to the world that THEY were not racists . . . by voting primarily over skin color. Liberal/progressive logic 101.

 

Once that it's exposed that the GOP has no actual platform except to hate Obama, and with Obama leaving office and the GOP having repeatedly since day one of Obama's first term, trying desperately to pretend that Bush never existed, you will probably see Hillary get more votes than she should really expect.

She has a horrible history around her, and the right will try and play up that history, but unfortunately for them, they will try and use pseudo scandals mixed in with the real BS that she HAS actually done, and that will be their undoing as far as swing voters.

The American public has woken up to the constant stream of easily debunked lies coming out of the Right. They won't have the Birthers to muddy the waters either.

The GOP's record of obstructionism, complete failure to work across the aisle on ANYTHING, and of course, a government shutdown, is going to hurt them politically.

The GOP will of course campaign on repealing Obamacare, and that will pick them up some votes (except by the people that the ACA has actually helped and those people aren't going to want to lose their coverage)

I predict a pretty easy run for Hillary. Yes, she will garner a lot of women votes simply because she has a vagina, but she will garner more because many in the public view the GOP as anti women.

It's not going to help the GOP when one of the loudest voices of the GOP tried to slut shame a college student for speaking out in front of congress for the health benefits of oral contraception.

So, with no real platform, a LONG history of debunked lies, a predisposition to misogynistic ideology, failure to work with the other side, shutting down the government, the GOP is going to have a really hard time this election putting someone up that can beat Hillary, ovaries or not.

 

I blame her for enabling and defending him and participating in the intimidation of the women whom he attacked. Why do you approve of that?

And weak women usually don't even when their spouses publicly humiliate them. Butbthe fact remains once one spouse violates the marriage vows the other spouse is under no moral obligation to remain n the marriage. Your attempts to say otherwise notwithstanding.

 

And what exactly was the crap part. Again why should women or anyone support a woman who supported and enabled a serial sexual abuser of women?

 

Dead wrong.

Strong women, which are mostly Republicans, applaud a woman who doesn't tolerate someone like Bubba Clinton for a POS husband.

Show me a single Republican woman who has discredited Tipper Gore for dumping Al. Show me a single Republican woman who has discredited Elizabeth Edwards for dumping John. Show me a single Republican woman who has discredited Jenny Sanford for dumping Mark.

And so forth and so forth.

I personally have ZERO respect for a women who puts up with a lying cheat of a partner.

Hillary Clinton makes me puke!

 

.....the other spouse is under no moral obligation to end the marriage.

 

An admirable debut!

55% of women (who make up about 54% of the electorate) voted for Obama in 2012, 44% voted for Mitt Romney.

Given the opportunity to elect the first female president, it is not unreasonable to expect they would evidence even greater enthusiasm than last time, when they overwhelmingly supported a male who had thwarted their hopes in 2008.

Will men support Hillary's opponent if he is a man?

Will more White men support Hillary's opponent if he is a White man?

Will still more older White men support Hillary's opponent if he is an older White man?

I would not be surprised if the answer to all three would be, "Yes!" - with increasing certitude.

However, even if there is no breakthrough incentive for them in electing their 44th male (the 43rd White male) a Party whose voter base is 90% White and aging in a nation whose non-White population is inexorably increasing (In 2012 overwhelming majorities of Black, Latino and Asian Americans voted for the Democratic candidate) the GOP's main concern goes well beyond the 2016 Democratic nominee's being female.


Demographics is their real nemesis:

 

I don't know ...maybe the Christians who supported child raping priests??? Everyone has their priorities.

And , no , I do NOT care what her husband did, I only care about what ANY candidate can do for this country.......if some of those philandering Repubs actually had some good plans , I'd vote for them.

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""""Hillary Clinton makes me puke""""


Good....


...and Republican women do what they're told....

 

Except you don't quite understand marriages of convenience. She has no moral obligation to leave her husband either. His infidelity means nothing to her, (hell, she's probably had more women than Bill has) it's not an issue to her because their partnership isn't based on love but power.

 

...you made a funny

 

ok, other than her destroying emails, as this administration is fond of doing, what happened to the 6 billion dollars that went missing from the State Dept. account while she was in charge. She's made herself a thief before she even runs for office......
Democrat women are self-pronounced theives

 

It's equally difficult being Blue. Neither of the parties are fulfilling their obligations to serve We the People. A stupidly easy way to answer this is: We're paying the government 18 trillion. Are you happy with your civil servant?

I'm not. For 18 trillion, I expect a kickass country. Not a country that has educational challenges and roads that long should've been remodeled. Or a country where each US Citizen owns at least $50,000 in debt. It's time to shake things up in a constructive manner to get back to the road of success.

 

No, while the quality of life varies amongst the states, the tiny elite that increasingly amass an inordinate amount of the nation's wealth increasingly decide which candidates serve them best.

They don't fund third parties because it's easier for them to deal with the duopoly. Generally, if a Democrat is elected, they win; if a Republican, they win bigger - so they bankroll both accordingly.

Enormous public debt spread across the masses fuels enormous private wealth concentrated in the few.



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First of all we should know if Republicans are going to name a woman for the Presidency ...
Without knowing if Republicans will candidate a man or a woman this thread misses something.

 

No the stereotyping you posted came from your mind not mine.

ROFL so his dogma was having sex with interns in the Oval Office and inserting cigars into their vagina's, you are correct I do not share that dogma but then I don't believe most do.

When did they ever have that choice and then of course they credit governance to Clinton that he actually opposed, again the MSM and the phony picture they painted of him and his tenure.

Look I know you sometimes let this all get emotional for you but don't project that on me, I have a more mature outlook.

Which are pretty worthless at this point and as I noted last week her numbers took a drop.

You are the one saying it will be an issue not me. I don't think about it when it comes to the candidates for whom I vote.

And again the stereotyping.

Didn't ask and don;t care, you made a statement about her

I asked what are these moderate positions you claim she holds? You said she is a moderate, will give me some examples of her moderation. Don't care if you support them or not, what moderate positions are you claiming she holds? She WILL have to get the majority of moderate voters in order to win, so what are her moderate positions on the economy and taxation?

 

And so what, if she has any character and fortitude she wouldn't stand for. Yes you are under no obligation to not let someone totally insult you and your marriage and make a fool of you on national TV, but it doesn't speak highly of you if you do does it? It's one thing if the spouse cheats once and is forgiven, after that there is not moral obligation or higher standing if they do as you you look the fool. And then when they do it again, and again.

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So that is how Clinton and Obama got elected, the rich did it?

 

ROFL I understand completely but that is not what they presented in their public face, and then went on 60 minutes declaring all is over and they are the loving couple and he made the fool of her.

And being the kind of person you are describing, a weak willed, unsure she can make it on her own, needs he man to make it, willing to be made a public fool, is the person you want leading this country. Just amazing.

 

Sounds like bitterness derived from experience .............



When your favorite candidate runs remember to keep the same views on their personal life....but I doubt you will.


I thought Hillary was quite smart to stay married, it couldn't hurt career....and it didn't.

 

And , no , I do NOT care what her husband did,[/QUOTE]

Oh so if he was a serial child abuser and she stayed with him you wouldn't care either.

Because it wasn't just that he had affairs, he SEXUALLY ABUSED women and sexually harassed women who worked for him and she still supported him and stayed with him and defended him.

This is the type of woman you are supporting, one who supports a man who engages in all those sexual abuses of women and abuse of her herself and their marriage.

One heck of a woman there.

So if they are all forcing the women on their staff to have sex with them and threatening them if they don't and rewarding the ones that do with special favors and promotions you'd still vote for them as long as you agreed with their plans.

 

That really the best you got? I would counter it would have done her career much better if she had publicly slapped him in the face, packed her bags and went to New York and announced her candidacy for the Senate as a Single mom who told her sleazebag abusing husband to take a hike. Which do you think is a better show of character, fortitude and self assurance?