Windmills!

Back in those days EVERYONE SMOKED cigarettes. To claim that they died of cancer caused by electricity is downright disingenuous.

 

Yeah, it's experimental. Promising maybe, but we are not there yet. What will be the cost? Is it sustainable? Will it be cost effective from the standpoint of energy consumption?

 

There is a small safety concern with electric power cars not giving you a similar audio clue that gas power cars supply when crossing a street for example.

 

Watching old films of mission control rooms during space launches can be shocking as everyone seems to be smoking away an you could see the cloud of smoke in the rooms.

 

We had similar safety concerns when cars traveled much faster than horses and people were being run over. People will adapt to using their eyes to look for vehicles instead.

 

Once more it is an element and as such I can see no reason why it would be all that expense to recover it by any number of methods.

 

I remember back in the day, flying commercial airlines. When the plane would land, I was a mess, eyes bloodshot, nose running, sneezing my head off, and all my clothes in my suitcase smelled like two week old stale smoke. For fire safety and health issues, I am personally glad they made commercial flights smoke free.

 

Adding some small amount of noise also might save a few lives.

I am a cyclist and a walker an have already been surprise by electric cars.

 

Or, we just find a type of battery that is economical, sustainable, and feasible for use as mass energy storage. We are not there yet. As I have said over and over again. You cannot force us to change our laws and use experimental technology, because it will lead to unexpected negative consequences.

We may just discover a better form of fusion power, if we only allow for the natural progression of science to run its course, without the federal government jumping in and mandating unfinished products.

Here's a good article on batteries.

https://www.science.org.au/curious/technology-future/batteries-future

 

Time had change big time as a child my mother would take me along to her bingo games held in a large firehall where you could see the large fans near the ceiling line drawing the smoke out of the hall.

My eyes would burn for an hour afterward.

 

I am also an avid walker and can't say that I have encountered that problem myself. As someone who used to ride motorcycles I am well aware that very few motorists ever see bikes at all so I don't see how it can be much worse.

 

When my best friend was overseas his spouse and infant child were staying with her mother who was a heavy smoker. The baby always had a runny nose when they arrived for a visit with us and it cleared up after being at our house for about an hour or so. I pointed this out and when the grandmother heard about it she gave up smoking for the sake of her grandchild.

 

Thanks for the article on batteries.
You are correct. The problem currently is the inability to store the energy produced by wind turbines plus most are located in desert locations which require miles and miles of transmission lines to get the power to where it is needed. It is relatively easy to produce electricity, storing and distributing it is another thing altogether.

 

Can not disagree with you more as the negative effects of what we are doing now are large very large an is known in detail.

Battery technology is reaching the point where even small cities are beginning to used it for power demand smoothing.

There is no reason not to push the technology as hard as possible,

 

There are proven means to store power other then by batteries also.

Still can remember from my childhood how New York Con Edison was planning on leveling the top of a local mountain and pumping water up from the Hudson river during the night an running it the other way during peak power demand.

Concerns over the fishes of all things stop the project.

 

There is nothing to be gained by dragging our feet and potentially a great deal to lose by doing so.

Can you imagine if there was this much resistance when it came to the internet and personal computers? Would we still be using dial up modems via landlines because people objected to replacing snail mail with email and wanted to continue going to the shops instead of ordering online?

Society is evolving and either you embrace and adapt to change or you become irrelevant.

Renewable energy and EV's are the future and in a decade or so people will be wondering why there was ever a fuss about getting rid of coal fired power plants.

 

Yes, that works and is very efficient but a large supply of water is necessary as well as perfect topography.

 

But yes and yes.

From where everyone is standing right now, it may seem that the world’s got a fair amount of lithium. According to global estimates by the U.S. Geological Survey, there is enough lithium in the world – 13.5 million metric tons of it – to last us over 350 years in batteries.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...m-shortage-derail-electric-car-boom/87684224/
There is as much lithium running around as there is lead.

This is one American recycle company.
I think the largest are in Asia.

Regardless of the chemistry, we can manage your batteries through a single recycling process. We have been recycling lithium batteries for over 20 years and have processed over 25 million pounds.
http://www.retrievtech.com/recycling/lithium-ion

 

I'm not sure anyone is saying we should go all renewables.
What hey are saying is that batteries and renewables are a fine supplement to conventional power plants. In such a situation the only requirement is the smoothing of the demand curve.
There is an electrical grid to take care of the areas where the sun didn't shine or the wind didn't blow.

 

No one is saying we have to go all renewables right away or in the next 15 years. The green referendum is not a law saying that in 15 years we shut down all fossil fuel use. It is a target and we will be lucky to get there in twice that time. And anyone who thinks we can get there in 25 years without an increase in nuclear power is kidding themselves. But roof-top solar, geothermal heating and air conditioning, especially in commercial spaces will go alongways. New homes can be built right how that produce more energy than they use in New England. Never mind in an area of the country that the suns actually shines more often than not.

When I was in high school a Boss 429 mustang made 425 horses and got about 6-8 miles to a gallon. It will be lucky to have the same performance as a 4cyl subaru WRX does now at 30MPG. And this performance enhancements were achieved at the same time as having a 9x drop in VOCs.

Tell somebody something good for them is going to cost them 10 cents more in the short term and they scream.

 

They exist now because the generate and sell electricity now. They aren't just sitting there idle not producing a product which the power company sells so it can pay for the bonds that finance them and the cost to maintain and operate them. If they aren't producing and selling that product they are losing money.

Mandated higher mileage standards means less weight and less power and means less safe automobiles. Electric just means using fossil in a central location to generate the energy to drive the car. Nuclear for the grid and the power to produce hydrogen for transportation fuels using turbines or fuel cells. I'd go for electric if there was a means to rapid charge but the electricity had to come from fossil or nuclear.

Why do you see electrical use going down over the next generation, efficiencies going up perhaps but net demand going down?

 

That is what is driving the storage technology. Due to the increase in solar more and more plants are idle during the day, but still need to be sized to produce the maximum load after dark.
This curve:

Less weight? Yep. Less power? No.


You are less likely to die in a serious crash today than in 1985

Specifically, here’s how NHTSA’s data breaks down the frequency of fatalities in crashes by model year:

• 1984 and earlier: 55%
• 1985-1992: 53%
• 1993-1997: 46%
• 1997-2002: 42%
• 2003-2007: 36%
• 2008-2012: 31%
• 2013-2017: 26%

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimgor...afer-than-older-ones-nhtsa-says/#1936849b2104

Elecric cars are about 3 times more efficient than a gas powered car.
Energy thru the wire is also about 1/3 the cost of gas from the pump.

If electric cars take off, I think it will go up and that will make the peak hour problem worse. Another reason to pursue a storage method.

 

When you have viable mass storage to supply a New York city let me know until the economics of huge plants that sit idle half the time don't make sense.

Oh there have been advances in power output in internal combustion engines but to get to your 50mpg mandate....

You are less likely to die in a serious crash today than in 1985

Try peer to peer

Depends on how the electricity is produced but so what? I have no problem with an electric if it could suit my requirements, they don't. They don't have the range they don't have the refueling capablility. And they are costly and currently have to have government subsidies. They also get away with not paying their fairshare of road use taxes. Hey I driven a racing electric go cart and it was a blast. But huge numbers of electric cars on the road? Not anytime soon.

Just go nuclear and natural gas which can be in demand and regulated 24/7/365

 

Could you fix this post up? I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

 

Seemed fairly clear to me except a point or two. There are major problems with mass storage and electric vehicles which need to be solved.