Workers, Blacks, And Hispanics Should Form Their Own Political Party

We have too many rubes who never engage a single brain cell in critical thinking, and instead parrot what they are told to parrot and bleev what they are told to bleev.

We get the politicians we deserve.

You know where our future is decided? In the primaries. Not the general election.

By the time the general election rolls around, we are confronted with the same old "lesser of two evils" horseshit. Two candidates who were chosen during the primary process.

How's that lesser of two evils bullshit working for ya? We are getting more and more evil choices. This last go-round, we had to choose between two of Satan's best henchmen.

You think turnout is low in the general election? Shiiiiiiiit. Turnout in the primaries is about one third, at best.

Zealots, psychos, maniacs, and crazy people have more energy than moderates. And that excess energy causes all those whackjobs to turn out in disproportionate numbers in the primaries. They get to decide which two evils we have to choose from.

And that's how we end up with the politicians we deserve. We don't participate in the process, and then whine about the results.

Congress has single digit approval, and yet a 98 percent re-election rate for incumbents who choose to run again.

Go figure.

"Those other guys spend too much on PORK, but my guy brings home the BACON!"

 

You know how voters could instantly raise their IQs by 50 points?

Shut off Fox News and MSNBC.

 

What dictates a..."worker"? The CEO of the company I work for "works" for the company...he just gets paid more that I do. If a "worker" is based upon a monetary sum what is the top end......150K....100K?

 

A CEO increases the workload and productivity of the workers, and then keeps the lion's share of the increased profits for himself and does not spread it down to the people who made those profits for him.

We have also legislatively tilted the playing field to the advantage of the wealthy at the expense of the middle and lower income groups.

 

I know what you mean. That said, as long as Fox is there, MSNBC needs to be there. Hate to say that.

 

So anyone is welcome......you didn't really answer my question.

 

Teachers are paid really rather well. In Australia they average $68,000 AUD per year. In the US it varies heavily by state, but for example in New York it's $75,279, California $69,324, Wyoming $57,920, Kansas $47,464. Rural states have significantly lower costs of living than world cities like New York and Los Angeles.

https://articles.niche.com/teacher-salaries-in-america/

You get incredibly generous vacation time, so that $75,279 is really much larger if you compare it on par with other careers' actual work days.

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Tertiary education is cheaper to the student in Australia. I pay about $2500 a semester, which is deferred through student loans. What you as a student have very little knowledge of is what the university is actually charging the government.

It turns out that a three year degree at the University of Melbourne costs $129,000, while a three year degree at Harvard costs $130,000. What's different is that all the cleaners, tradesman, skilled workers, and apprentices are forced to pay for this education in Australia, even though they've worked hard and never benefited from a decidedly bourgeois and upper middle class benefit: a college education.

The main problem with tertiary education on cost is the constant expansion of amenities and student administration. Whether you pay your own way or get Bob the Builder to is a secondary question - there is no such thing as a free lunch.

Tertiary education is unparalleled in the USA. Not a single country is even in the same league. The United Kingdom is the only nation even in the ballpark. We punch above our weight in little Australia, with ANU, Uni Melb, UNSW, etc, but we still are strangled by universities which spend way too much on useless amenities rather making these degrees more accessible to all.
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Fun fact: the average US public school pupil costs $10,615 per year to educate. That would get you a seriously good private education if you weren't forced to double spend on private schools.

You know that feeling that everything the NRA does pollutes the conversation around gun politics? The teachers' unions spent $33 million on lobbying in the 2016 election and keep up a constant barrage throughout the year. The talking points of the teachers unions therefore dominate the talking points on education.

 

Well there are many ways you could look at it. However, I would say that anyone who feels that workers need protection from abusive employers, that workers should be paid a living wage, that workers should be able to practically obtain training to keep their skills up to date with the job market, that workers should have affordable health care, and that workers should have livable retirement income, could be viewed as a worker in terms of ideology that is consistent with the interests of workers.

 

I don't think teachers are paid enough considering the importance of what they do. Having said that, I think teachers need to be trained like we train doctors, and we need to be paying them somewhere in that range. Teaching should be a on-call profession, with no set hours. You stay until the job gets done. However, they need to be paid quite a bit more to do that. I think it would also have the effect of attracting some very qualified people into the profession who would otherwise not go because the relative pay is low.

 

A medical degree is on another planet from a DipEd. They are paid a lot because it is not a job that a lot of people can do. And because the AMA and Pharma have their grubby mitts in the cartel pie, but that's another story.

Tertiary educators are paid extremely well. At my university they are paid between $68,000 and $138,000 per year. That includes a massive 3 month break at the end of the year.

On primary and secondary education I veer more in the direction of vouchers. Give each pupil a grant which can only be spent on education: public, private or homeschooling.

 

Actually teaching is something that not a lot of people can do, at least not when its done right. That is not something that is about a set number or hours, you get a check and you are done. Its something that is a way of life, that you have to be able to empathize and reach many different types of people. Now there can be teacher's aids and various type of support staff. But a teacher should be someone who is there, has the responsibility, and can get the job done. They need to be compensated quite well for their trouble because it is a very difficult job to do properly.

Perhaps you can correct my if I am wrong because I have been out of college for a while, but back when I was there the only people getting paid 100k plus, were people doing highly specialized research, and they really were not being paid to teach, rather that was for their research work and the prestige it added to the school. People in liberal arts for example were not being paid that much.

 

Bullshit

The unearned EITC is a scam

Women with children can get back thousands of dollars more than they paid in

 

They need a reminder. But then again maybe they've been outwitted by cunning adversaries.

There is nothing in Trump’s political strategy that was not pioneered by the Republican campaign consultants Roger Ailes and Lee Atwater, who designed an appeal to working-class traditional Democrat voters, based on perceptions that Democrats were soft on crime and were working to support African-American welfare recipients.

Race and taxation were the emotive issues used to drive a wedge deep into the traditional Democratic Party coalition between the white working class and African Americans, which had started to fracture with the presidential candidacy of George Wallace in 1968, and reached its apotheosis with the infamous Willie Horton commercial in 1988.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/turnbull-is-mired-in-a-barnaby-crisis-of-his-own-making-and-abbott-knows-it-20180222-p4z1ap.html

 

Phuck the political system, there is no political solution working within the system, by design.

And they make the rules guaranteeing their own socialist subsidization. The people have the power, but only when coherent and clear headed. But that's what your TV and your 6 multinational corporation controlled media machine is for, to cockblock that, and to manipulate the perceptual reality of the masses.

 

Like corporations?!?!?!?!? Phuck that!

 

I have family members who are of the same ethnicity as that of those most often in this country illegally. They are always pleased to see news about raids and arrests .. and don't mind the extra questions from officialdom if it means that such actions will yield actual illegals. It does happen to them (the extra questions) ... all the time, actually. The very reason they want illegals gone is because they give the legal folk a bad name/time. They have zero loyalty to wrong-doers, their shared heritage never enters into it. Do Hispanic Americans stand with illegal fellows, or with the rule of law? That might be the difference in tolerance, here.

Finally, it's not about 'letting it happen'. My extended black family has done just the opposite by elevating themselves, and only mixing with elevated black people. This alone, has protected them for 2 generations very well from 'racial' discrimination .. in the three western nations in which they have resided since originally migrating. Whatever little remains, they regard as the price paid for the enormous opportunities afforded them by the west, and has not harmed anyone (yet).

 

Nothing at all like corporations

Corporations do not get cash subsidies from the government the way these women do

 

So you think those years our society spent on desegregation was time and money wasted?

 

Well perhaps what you say with regards to your extended family members is true in that they have not been harmed by racism. Unfortunately many have been harmed and continue to be harmed to this day by it. Therefore there is a need to do more than just mixing with what you call elevated black people. Perhaps all black people can one day be elevated to the lofty status of your extended family members.

 

Did I say it was? No I do not believe that. Furthermore nothing that I have purposed here in this thread has implied such.

Let me ask you the same question. Do you think the time and money spent on desegregation was wasted?

 

LOL @ cockblock!!! WOW! That's a term I have not heard in a while!!!

 

Actually there was one very important group that I left out. Muslims. So workers, blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims should start their own political party.

 

Did someone ask about sock puppets?

 

Let's say you got every high school graduate, what percentage of them, if they so chose, would be able to complete a DipEd? What about a Medicine degree?

But not a job which most people couldn't do if they chose to go down that route. Not many people can handle the mathematics required to do engineering, or the chemistry and anatomy necessary for medicine. Doctors also have to be very emotive, which is why so many new graduates suffer when they have no people skills and are all smarts. On top of this, you have to do indisputably the toughest degree available, for at least 5 years, 7 or more for surgeons, if you make one small misstep on any given day someone could die, if your knowledge of the nervous system is not precise and backed up by tens of thousands of hours of rigorous study on cutting edge topics your patient will die and you will be sued.

Teachers, by comparison, have to be very good at the material they are teaching children. That's a tough job and you need university level education for it, but the knowledge required is not even on the same order of magnitude as for engineering or medicine.

Perhaps it is different here. Those pay scales were for my university in Australia. Don't forget that your purchasing power is vastly stronger than ours and we have one of the highest costs of living in the world.

I've done two liberal arts degrees, the lecturers should not be getting paid a huge amount. If, as a student, you simply read the course material, you'll do better than most of your cohort. I strongly advise against undertaking a liberal arts degree unless you have a specific career in mind (like academia, work for NGOs, etc). They are a money pit for upper middle class types who haven't decided what they want to do in life. You can get a much better comprehension of the material getting a list of units in the degree (philosophy for instance) and reading the top 5 books on that topic. Repeat for the 8 units.

It's a noble profession, don't get me wrong, but not one which is particularly difficult to do well in, unless you're on the research side, or are a high level professor teaching graduate or post-graduate students. In which case you're already on a stellar salary anyway.

If you expect to do a few years of gender studies then go into teaching and bank $200,000 per year you're part of the problem at universities as far as I'm concerned.

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The bottom line is that teachers are not high on the "low pay priority list". They average the top quartile of incomes in most coastal states.

We should address some of the more serious shortcomings in education instead of constantly throwing more money at the teachers unions and expecting a better result.

PS: It's refreshing to have a calm, reasoned discussion and exchange of ideas around here. Kudos.

 

I go with what ever candidates reflect my view points.