Would police brutality fall if we began charging officers with manslaughter?

This is something I wish Obama would have taken a stance on. The whole Blue Lives Matter vs. Black Lives Matter gibberish is, in part with the fact an officer can shoot someone, and go home to his family. Someone who isn't an officer can shoot someone, and will find themselves in prison. Even if you work in law enforcement, don't you think its wrong to have our officers be immune to manslaughter charges? If we are going to let officers off the hook with murder, we might as well let everyday citizens off the hook with murder.

The evidence of manslaughter for every officer who shoots a suspect dead is there. There's video you killed the guy, witnesses you killed the guy who can all provide time and place, logic would argue then you couldn't go home and kiss your daughter good night while another family has to plan a funeral. At their expense btw while the guilty party enjoys their next paycheck. And I'm not talking about raging psychopaths in a movie theater or school, I'm talking about the people police kill everyday, white and black, and police get away with it.

A cell phone looks nothing like a gun, a L-shaped pipe looks nothing like a gun, so why do police use these excuses to justify their personal body count? Police need to experience the same punishment that average citizens do. After all, they're just average citizens themselves. Just in uniform and a car.

 

I think it would be more effective if any settlements for police brutality/wrong death/civil rights violation lawsuits came out of police pension funds instead of taxpayer money.

 

"The evidence of manslaughter for every officer who shoots a suspect dead is there."
oooh! Hyperbole alert!

 

When milliseconds count from twenty feet away, there is not sufficient time to examine whether something in a suspect/s hand is a gun or not. It makes little difference whether or not it looks like a gun when not moving hours later.

When confronted by an officer. Do what he says. Don't make any sudden moves which can be interpreted as reaching for a gun whether that object is a gun or not. If you must get something out of your pocket, tell them what you are doing ahead of time.

 

It wouldn't make any difference because who would press charges? You can bring a civil lawsuit against the cops, but you need a prosecutor or police to file criminal charges. They are loathe to do that because the entire process requires everybody to work together. The Judges need the DA to file criminal charges in order to convict people. The DA need police to provide them with the defendants. If anybody starts messing with somebody else, they just stop working with them.

Imagine, you work for the DA and would like to keep your job. Some cop shoots a guy and it's caught on video by about twenty passersby. You talk to a judge to get a warrant for that cop's arrest. The cops have to arrest one of their fellow officers, but they're not happy with the whole situation, so suddenly all the cops start giving you are cases that you'll never win. Each loss goes on your record, and pretty soon you're wondering if McDonalds has any openings.

See, only governmental authorities can file criminal charges. That's the fly in the state ointment that keeps them above the law, and the rest of us providing the grease that keeps the machine running smoothly.

 

Manslaughter is appropriate in cases where the killing is due to recklessness or negligence. If the killing is deliberate then the appropriate charge is murder. General defences to murder include self-defence, duress and necessity. In Australia there is no special defence available to police who use fatal force, they're in the same boat as a non-police officer.

 

We’ve traded enough posts for you to consider it logical that your post is rhetorical.

Most posting here know that courts and law enforcement have their own secret set of rules they operate and “our” constitution, as an “operating parameter for government, is a thing of the past, UNLESS the media picks it up and shows the masses.

However, media has been able to corrupt the morals and ethics of SOME Citizens, so unconstitutional American authority/officialdom has more and more respite in the case of media sharing it with the masses.

Your points are all well made. The dynamic problems of rhetoric are only contained in the failure of the public to 1) notice and pay attention, to form opinion with a wide sample of Citizens. 2) emerge from apathy, confusion and distraction as an all consuming way of life recognizing the inherent responsibility to engage 1) and 2).

 

They were average before they joined the force. They're trained, they've had psych evaluations and they've been indoctrinated to believe they can get away with anything. They must be held accountable.

 

Why not just abolish the police force and call the ACLU when someone is breaking into your home?

They would never mistreat a scumbag who just wanted some walking around money

 

Are you implying that the only justifiable police killing is in response to a movie theater or school shooter?
In what circumstances do you find a police shooting to be justified?

 

They are. There are around 1300 people killed by cops every year less than a couple of hundred are unarmed. There are around 94 million interactions between cops and civilians every year. The overwhelming majority of these shootings are justifiable homicide.

 

better yet start charging thugs with real crimes and give them very very long sentences. instead of the revolving door prison system we cirrently have

 

none. no cop-hating apologist for ghetto violence will find a justified use of force by a police officer.

 

I’ll tell you what will bring down cop shootings, violent criminals cease to exist and everyone starts obeying and respecting cops.

I find it amazing how few cop shootings there are when there is so much violence out there, thousands of thugs killing each other and cops putting themselves in harms way all the time. In addition to this, take the high number of people who don’t obey cops’ commands, run away, pull a weapon, yell and say demeaning things to them... a cop wakes up every morning wondering if the next routine car stop could be his last day alive on this Earth.

Given all this, it’s truly unreal how cops don’t shoot and kill people way more often. I would expect thousands a year.. Roughly same number of cops get killed a year than cops kill citizens. Truly amazing how theae heroes risk their lives and somehow remain composed during thousands and thousands of altercations with disrespectful, violent people out there. The left has lied and lied about cops to secure all the thug vote and those that don’t want to obey the law.

 

Evidence?

 

Dont want brutality? Dont be a prick when a cop approaches you.

 

He gets it!

 

Remember where the Constitution states that you have a protected right to freedom of speech and expression unless you use that right to be disrespectful to the government in which case it can arbitrarily brutalize you?

 

This is very true here.

Although it simply is not based in, logic, when concerning any police dept hiring a human who assumes to be incapable of mentally-processing if they are looking at a gun being drawn, or cellphone/haircomb/wallet, being pulled out of a waistline. As the milliseconds delusion seems to assume that we live in a USA culture where humans are known for pulling out non-weapons to exclusively aim them at cops.

There was a time when cops could not fire until they're fired upon, or at least, until they actually see a weapon being brandished. That is the type of police training which needs to be reinstated.

 

I don't have a clue what you are trying to say. It is a fact that it is impossible to make such a determination in the amount of time required. Especially when part of that cell phone or whatever it is is partially hid by a hand. That choice has to made immediately. It is very likely that the policeman will be dead before an absolute determination can be made.

Like I said earlier, when confronted by a law enforcement officer, don't make any sudden moves which can be misinterpreted.. It is not that complicated.

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement


I think this link I posted might shed light on how you made a very unfair statement which I quoted, considering the fact that police already treated Blacks in a subhuman way prior to 2007, when Obama announced his run. Although police brutality of Blacks got much worse, out of fear/retaliation of Obama being President.

 

This is the part that simply is not based in, logic, especially when it appears that there's only one sole group (Black males) in the society who cops seem to feels it's impossible to determine if that group has a gun or cellphone or wallet in their waistline. Black males who work hard and pay taxes, have a Right, to expect police to respect them like they respect non-Black citizens.

 

If you think you can determine whether an object in a hand is a cell phone or a gun when that object is travelling at about five feet per second at a distance of twenty feet and you have about a quarter second to make that determination, then your eyes and brain can only be classified as super natural.

About twice as many white men are killed by law enforcement as blacks.

 

There was a time, as late as the 80's, when cops did not fire their weapons unless they actually saw a weapon being drawn or being fired. No assumptions.


And since those officers were not super natural, back then, it proves that today's officers do not need to be super natural.

Legitimately, yes.

 

You are not going to be able to make that determination. It is physically impossible. Get someone off at a distance of about twenty feet and have them rapidly pull something out of their pocket and see how successfully you are at correctly identifying it in about a quarter second.