WSJ: Gulf States Led by Saudi Arabia Changing Attitude Towards Israel

Saudi Arabia has no ambitions in Iran... NONE. KSA just wants Iran to stay off the Arabian peninsula.

 

Israel and jews never expanded like islam and muslims because 1) they do not prosletyze 2) they do not conquer populations and force convert them.

I'm sure all those pretty pictures of celebrating minorities truly appreciate their visits to Evin prison. Turn off the KGB-inspired lies and propaganda, no one is interested. For the facts:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/04/03/irans-forgotten-ethnic-minorities/

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/opinion/irans-oppressed-christians.html

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...ity-dissent-against-discrimination-1658579305

http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat...or-persecution-of-religious-minorities-347089

http://www.minorityvoices.org/news....f-iranian-regime-against-ahwazi-arab-villages

 

The Wahhabis have been uncharacteristically open about their fantasies lately, which prompted this reply from Iran.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-saudi-minister-idUSKBN1830Y7
Iran minister warns Saudi Arabia after 'battle' comments: Tasnim

 

being against Israel is bad economic policy

but good social policy

 

The story of Iran predates Islam and has continued for several millennia and none of it has anything to do with forcing anyone to convert. The story of Israel, which you somehow wanted to equate with Iran in the solutions to its issues, is a new chapter in history and the historical precedent that exists indicates it may not be a lasting one either.

You have problem distinguishing facts, such as what was depicted in the pictures I posted, with propaganda and opinion. Which is what you are citing.

 

Sonny boy, the fascist state of iran and its despicable dictatorship will fall LONG before Israel does, you can bank on it.

My problem is with dishonest, non-credible iran apologists for the worst, most diseased, cancerous regime on earth - whose death cannot come soon enough.

Sure, tool - all those thousands of articles of iran's hideous oppression of its minorities are "propaganda", while we should accept your lies and uncited photos probably captured off of regime websites.

The fake iranian regime will soon be wiped from the map, and that right soon.

 

The good thing is that in this day and age, you don't even need to be there to see such rallies. With satellite imagery you can watch the next 22 Bahman rallies live sitting at home. And then weep.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...979-islamic-revolution-mass-rallies/97742024/

 

I posted pictures of rallies commemorating Iran's revolution in various non-Persian provinces in the country, so let me post pictures of Iran's Jewish community rallying in support of Iran's nuclear program a couple years ago as well. I am sure they were there at gun point, despite the fact that most of them regularly travel outside of Iran and have yet chosen to live in Iran spurring significant cash offers to emigrate.

I will post the pictures from a well known regime website, the "Times of Israel". Forgive me, though, if I don't choose to also quote their commentary. Pro regime websites such as the Times of Israel, I admit, are quite annoying

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2013/11/Mideast-Iran-Nuclear_Horo-1-e1384889917997.jpg

 

Like Iran's Jewish community, there are still significant number of Iranian Christians (most of them Armenians) who live in Iran despite being able to emigrate to Armenia or to the US and elsewhere. Indeed, in the wake of the lifting of some of the more draconian sanctions against Iran which had made even the most ordinary transactions difficult, many of Iran's Jewish and Armenian diaspora are returning home. I know several Iranian Jewish and Armenian citizens who have returned to live in Iran after living in the US for many years.

Pictures from Iran's Armenian community protesting the Armenian genocide, while also showing their fidelity to Iran.

 

....and the propaganda keeps on flowing....sorry kid, but I'll take the word of the UN and the people living there about 1,000 YEARS before I EVER accept it from an iran fascist regime shill like you:

https://www.bic.org/news/un-panel-criticizes-irans-repression-minorities-0

UN panel criticizes Iran's repression of minorities
Geneva—30 August 2010—
A United Nations panel of experts has expressed concern over Iran’s continued repression of ethnic and religious minorities, including members of the Baha'i Faith.

In conclusions issued last Friday, the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) questioned why Iranian minorities – such as Arabs, Azeris, Balochis, Kurds and Baha'is – are so poorly represented in Iran’s public life.

The Baha'i International Community has welcomed the panel’s findings that categorize Iran’s persecution of Baha'is as a matter of discrimination based on race, ethnicity or religion."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...n-of-rights-women-worse-under-rouhani-un-says

Iran’s Oppression of Rights, Women Worse Under Rouhani, UN Says
Sangwon Yoon
March 16, 2015 at 3:46:55 PM EDT
Violations of human rights and oppression of minorities and women in Iran have worsened under President Hassan Rouhani, who took office as a moderate promising to improve the lives of Iranians, a United Nations inspector said.

https://www.bic.org/news/un-religio...-day-day-persecution-iran#MoPYAlEzmWlBYws3.97

At the UN, religious minorities describe day-to-day persecution in Iran
Journalist Lisa Daftari
New York—4 November 2015—
Growing up in Iran, Naeim Tavakkoli recalls being forced to sit on the floor in school to dry out on rainy days so that the “unclean” water he shed as a Baha’i would not be passed on to Muslim students.

Unfortunately, such discrimination and persecution continues today in Iran, said Mr. Tavakkoli during testimony at the United Nations on Wednesday 4 November 2015. Mr. Tavakkoli – along with two other Iranian Baha’is and three Iranian Christians – spoke at a side event sponsored by the Permanent Mission of Canada, the Baha’i International Community, and the European Centre for Law and Justice. The event focused on what day-to-day life is for religious minorities in Iran, and can be viewed on the web"

http://news.bahai.org/story/1143/

UN General Assembly rebukes Iran for human rights record
19 December 2016
NEW YORK — Today the international community firmly denounced a wide range of human rights violations in Iran.

By a vote of 85 to 35 with 63 abstentions, the United Nations General Assembly approved a resolution expressing “serious concern” about Iran’s high rate of executions without legal safeguards, ongoing use of torture, widespread arbitrary detentions, sharp limits on freedom of assembly, expression, and religious belief, and continuing discrimination against women and ethnic and religious minorities, including Baha’is."

 

There is no balance regarding Jerusalem , its a single city, while once we were willing to sort something with the Arab neighborhoods and the Temple mount, today we simply dont trust you for such process, there is no "balance", either we or you control the city and the area.

 

I remember they picked him up from his house in middle of the war/op and gave him a bottle of water, he was the leader of the terrorist Al Aqsa martyrs, had his hand in the murder of 5 Israelis, one attempted murder and several attacks. he illustrates nothing , he simply led the terrorists and was judged by it, I dont care if he also writes books or paints.

I also dont care how many worship him, he can have all the friends in the world when he gets out, sometime in the next 100 years.

BTW, regarding your "Mandela" , he broke his hunger strike yesterday for a few sweets, I cant blame him, "Tortit" is delicious.

I dont enjoy something I dont care about Alexa, I heard of the strike when they started it and again yesterday when Bargotti ate the sweets, I dont give a thought about them otherwise.

 

Y'know, I bet alot of ppl dont or wouldnt care about how you lived over there - if just you would'nt have the audacity to lecture others about how they live. we cant seriously take criticism on how we treat terrorists when you declare "there are no gays in Iran" and stone/hang ppl for offences much lesser than murder such as terrorists pull. just saying....

 

That's just what you tell yourselves to excuse missed oppertunities, there was always good will by the left Gov's, we elected them in order to reach an agreemnet, indeed we have no such will nowdays, 400 thousand Jews live in the west bank and they will continue to live there in Leftie gov or Righty gov, the question is who was willing to proceed - and they missed it.

 

Wow, from a leftist website no less.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/terry-strada/saudi-arabia-terrorism-9-11_b_9516706.html

One from the other side of the political spectrum.
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/terrorist-sponsors-saudi-arabia-pakistan-china

One from across the pond
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...s-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

The Algerian and Egyptian I work with have very strong opinions that SA does in fact finance terrorism in the region.

 

Is it a measure of your good will that Israel is still tearing down homes in the Arab quarter to build apartments for the Hasadic Jews?

 

Where do they live? Lots of ignorant people who have nothing but rumors and envy have "strong opinions".

 

Which homes ? when ? I only heard of terrorist homes being sealed, homes in Jerusalem I dont recall.

 

Well I am sorry its come to that. Iran has a long, long history of inciting trouble on the Arabian Peninsula .. Put my family in danger years ago.

 

What you are saying is repeating things which bear no relationship to anything relevant. Ahmadinejad's comment at Colombia University was that the gay issue is not the same in Iran. It was translated as it was and made for a bunch of irrelevant flack. There are, of course, gays in Iran but more than that - until Trump's ban which Iran reciprocated - there were even organized gay tour groups (which included many Jews) who visited Iran. Stoning and such other nonsense is just that. Stoning was banned by decree a long time ago. But even when the punishment was theoretically available, it required the kind of proof that made it impossible to carry out. Not just stoning, but any punishment for the kind of crimes such as adultery, sodomy, etc required the accused to confess 4 times in front of the court or for there to have been 4 witnesses to the act. The few cases when those conditions were fulfilled even when the punishment was still theoretically possible, often involved cases when an accused was going to receive capital punishment for a crime such as murder, with their lawyers then getting their clients to confess to some of these acts in order to have them face these punishments and get international human rights groups and the like involved to be able to delay and perhaps find some ways to get their clients off the hook. These are the real facts. It doesn't matter what you have heard and even less, what you prefer to believe and repeat just to advance some ulterior agenda.

 

Actually, I was wrong: the "Iran gay tour" still operates despite some questions as to whether measures imposed by Iran to reciprocate Trump's ban might cause a cancellation of tours from the US.

http://www.happygaytravel.com/tours/ZoomVacations/Iran_Gay_Tour.html

P.S.
This articles deals more realistically with the situation for gays in Iran. A few peculiarities aside, not all that different than many other societies.

http://theweek.com/articles/532005/what-like-gay-iran
What it's like to be gay in Iran

 

I truly hope that is the case, happy to hear there are no more stonning's , its an terrible way to die let alone for "moral" crimes.

 

Its been in the News over and over again for several years. They evict Arab families who have lived in their homes for generations, build low cost, govt subsidized apartments for the Haredi so they can walk to synagogue.

 

Are you sure you hope so, because the decree banning stoning is not new and existed even when various groups tried to use the Iranian penal code (which is based on Islamic precepts) to suggest the practice was in place. The truth, however, is that even the Iranian penal code requirements were such that the punishment couldn't really be imposed in any real case and was merely a statement of disapproval of such practices and not a real form of punishment that was being practiced.

Leaving aside the decree from the head of the judiciary since 2002 banning stoning, and recent amendments in the law on the subject, here what the Iranian penal code provided in terms of how adultery was to be proved in court. The same was the case for sodomy. Is this really meant to facilitate the punishment or make it simply a statement of principle, which can easily be avoided?

http://www.wluml.org/node/3908
Chapter 2- Methods of Proving Adultery in Court

Article 68 – If a man or woman confesses to adultery four times before the judge, s/he will be sentenced to the adultery punishment and if they confess less than four times, then s/he will be punished by Tazeer. [Tazeer refers to the punishments that are not defined by Sharia’ and it is left to the Sharia’ Judge to specify it by sentence to imprisonment, cash fine, or flogging in which case the number of lashes must be less than Hodoud.]

Article 69 – The confession is valid when the confessor has the virtues of maturity*, sanity, willingness, and liberty.

Article 70 – The confession must be explicit or appear to be not inconsistent with the case.

Article 71 – If a person confesses to adultery and then denies it, if the adultery is to be punished by killing or stoning**, then the denial annuls the punishment of killing and stoning. Otherwise, with the denial after the confession the punishment is not annulled.

Article 72 – If a person confesses to the type of adultery that is punishable and then repents, the judge can either ask the Head of Judiciary for clemency or carry out the punishment.

Article 73 – A woman who does not have a husband, shall not be punished for becoming pregnant unless her adultery is proven by one of the methods mentioned in this law.

Article 74 – Adultery, when punishable by either flogging or stoning, can be proven by the testimony of either four just men, or three just men and two just women.

Article 75 – If adultery is punishable by flogging, then it could also be proven by the testimony of two just men and four just women.

Article 76 – The testimony by women alone or along with the testimony of a just man does not prove adultery but the witnesses will be subject to the punishment for false accusation (Qazf) as specified by the law. [Qazf: is defined as accusing a person of adultery or anal sex. It is punishable by 80 lashes. (Article 139)]

Article 77 – The testimony of the witnesses must be clear and without ambiguity and based on observation and testimony based on conjectures is not credible.

Article 78 – If the witnesses describe the specifics of the subject of testimony, there should be no discrepancy in their descriptions in terms of the time, place, and such. In case of discrepancy among witnesses’ testimonies, then not only the adultery is not proven but the witnesses will be sentenced to punishment for false accusation (Qazf).

Article 79 – The witnesses must testify one after another without any lapse of time. If some of the witnesses testify and then some other witnesses are not immediately present to testify or do not testify, then adultery is not proven. In this case, the witness will be subject to punishment for false accusation (Qazf).

Article 80 – The adultery punishment shall be executed immediately except for the cases described in the later articles.

Article 81 – If the adulterer repents prior to the testimony, then the punishment is annulled and if s/he repents after the testimony, then the punishment is not annulled.

 

Well RT can also post the Israeli PM is an allien with global palns of domination - actually that's not far from what they DO post is it, Im afraid names of the poor evicted victims are needed, places, dates - are all needed, I also dont understand how a family gets evicted with no media reporting it, if they report protests I bet they would pictures of a homless family and vicous soldiers laughting at them, that's politzer right there.