You Will Regret Your Abortion

I do.

But I understand that executions can be pretty hard on wardens and prison guards.

That is why a firing squad always has one guy with a blank in his rifle. That way every guard can deny his was the killing shot if he has regrets later.

 

I apologize....not for my post....but because I assumed you are a man.

I just assume anyone who thinks women should be ashamed for having an abortion must be old misogynists.

I should probably stop that

 

but you aren't really doing that are you. You're involving yourself.

 

In a courtroom I would. But in real life hearsay is heard all the time, and relied on.

If I said,

"My father told me he was born in Washington D.C." -- that would be hearsay.

I still believe it, even though he has not shown me the birth certificate.

But guess what?

A birth certificate is also hearsay. Very reliable hearsay, but still hearsay.

 

yeah you should. Seeing as you don't really comprehend the matter.

 

I did not say women SHOULD be ashamed of an abortion.

I simply said that women experience trauma after abortion, and regrets.

That is stating a fact that I cannot change.

I have provided plenty of evidence that this is true. Did you look at it?

 

So. . .you were allowed to make up YOUR mind. .. no one forced you to have your child, or to have an abortion.

And that is the way it should be!

I am glad you enjoy your child. I enjoy both of mine, my natural born son, and my adopted daughter!
I enjoy my 4 grand sons (two from each of my children). But that doesn't mean I feel that I have the right to impose MY life choices on other women.

I have often said that one of the greatest blessings in my life (apart from my two children) is that I have NEVER had to make that difficult choide to have an abortion or to not have an abortion. I honestly don't know what I would have decided!

But one thing I know for sure: ONLY I (and the sperm donor, if he was involved in my life) have the right to make such a decision, no matter how difficult that decision is. . .

It is NOT the place of the Church (any Church), the government, or any of the "pro-choice" or "pro-life" people in the world.

 

Well if you support the death penalty then your not pro-life. Your a cafeteria style pro-life so do not make a claim that you are pro-life.

If you support the elimination of social programs for those who cannot afford them (medical, welfare for the needy, etc) then your not pro life.

 

Now then, is the court room any differnt from debating?

 

my daughter has had two miscarriages. And i remember crying over both.....EVEN if it was nature's way of ending a little life that could not be. You're a guy however and can't comprehend what it may mean for a woman. No offense but i really don't think you grasp even now the point of the initial post.

 

Your post didn't specify that YOU personally would pay a price for abortion so this reply of yours is moot at best and purposely deflective.

 

I wasn't saying that women should be ashamed. I said---that they act like they feel guilty.

 

Yes. There is no way people could function applying the formal rules of evidence in everyday life.

 

Don't we? Let's use debating on PF as an example. Can't I site a link, can't you debate it's relevancy, to see if there's any bias in it or any other problems?

 

The OP is about what women experience---after an abortion. Not about choice. I was pro-choice because I did not view the fetus as a human being. I became pro-life because I realized that a fetus is as much a human being as my 11 year old son.

So....if I had an abortion. But then later realized I killed a human being---would I be tramatized?

Yes.

 

You are failing to consider my daughter. Why should she ever be in a position where her mother can terminate her life for any reason at all, or no reason at all.

I was born in 1965, prior to Roe v. Wade, so I do not know what it like to know my Mom could have killed me if she wanted to.

I wonder how the younger generation, born after 1973, feel as "survivors" of abortion?

 

No, that's stating an opinion, not a fact. You're assuming your personal feelings must be shared by everyone.

Anecdotes and opinions may be plenty of evidence, but it's bad evidence. Research is evidence. Let's look at some.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0272735803000928

40-45% have problems before the abortion, 30% after. So the abortion _improved_ mental health. Some women are messed up after abortion, but they were messed up before the abortion. Not surprising, since it's women in bad situations who are having abortions.

http://www.medscimonit.com/fulltxt_free.php?ICID=11784

This study shows differences in responses of American women -- where the pro-life movement is active -- and Russia, where it's not. Women in Russia have far fewer bad reactions to abortion, which would indicate it's the American pro-life movement and social attitudes which are the cause of the problem, as opposed to abortion itself being the cause. If abortion caused guilt, it should be causing just as much guilt in Russia, and it doesn't.

 

So you 'played' with the idea of abortion. You considered an abortion and then you decided not to have one and because you decided not to have one you decided no on else should be able to have one.

Your decisions are to do with the psychology surrounding why on earth you would 'play' with such an important decision. It is not a game. Most women are well aware when it is right for them. They do not play at it.

I can accept that you found what was right for you on this occasion. That you should thereafter believe it is what is right for not only you but everyone for ever more, suggests a somewhat domineering attitude and a belief that your experience will be exactly the same for everyone else.

 

Exactly as you feel as a survivor of contraception or the possibility that your parents did not chose to have sex. If I was aborted, I would simply never exist as a person with mind, just like if I was never conceived.

 

Her mother cannot terminate her life without going to jail or even the death penalty in the US.

Woman have never been allowed to kill their children. If you are exaggerating to try and speak of abortion, it was there for your Mother to choose, just in a less safe way.

Please provide the documentation that every live child is the result of a failed abortion. Here the Guardian gives the statistics on British abortions. They vary enormously from place to place and it also acknowledges that several of them come from people who come deliberately to England in order to have a safe abortion which is not allowed where the live - for instance from Ireland.

They range from the largest of 3.5% in Waltham Forest to a low of 0.5% in Lanarkshire in Scotland.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/24/abortion-statistics-england-wales

(actually that is the rate per woman of child bearing age rather than in respect of live births)

It is perfectly clear that only a titchy minority of babies are aborted and so any idea of 'surviving' abortion, is being somewhat disrespectful to where that term is more usually applied - that is surviving cancer treatment.

 

Since she IS your daughter, she OBVIOUSLY will never have to consider that her mother could legally kill her, because you can't legally kill a person.

If your wife had decided to have an early abortion instead of taking her pregnancy to term, there would never have been a person you considered your daughter (unless, of course, you had other children).

Fetus are not persons. . . They are no one's children until he POTENTIAL of becoming a person is accomplished.

Fetus do not and never will if the pregnancy is terminated "think" or know" about being anyone's daughter or son, you are projecting your human emotions on a cluster of cells that knows NO emotions, no desire, no pain, no future, no dream, NOTHING. . . Until much later in the cycle of development.

By the way, more I read of your comments, and less I can believe that you have ever been a lawyer!

You may want to think about a change of career during your period of unemployment!

 

You meanto tell me that, as the mother of an 11 year old son, if you were faced with the decision to have to choose between saving the life of your son or terminating a 10 week pregnancy, you would have a difficult time deciding on which one to choose to save?

Are you for real?

And, yes, some women basically have to make that choice. . .
Whether to provide for the children they have giving birth to, who are breathing, living, creatures with the full potential for a full life IF they can support them emotionally and financially until they become self-sufficient, or whether to take away from those actiual children the already scarce resources that the mother can provide to help them reach their full potential, in an effort to keep a cluster of cells that has, as yet, NO life of its own, no feelings, and no emotion, and that she may also condemn, along with the children she already has, to a life of struggle and poverty, maybe even an early death?

I believe you are making a false equivalency between an ealy term fetus and a life child!

 

Most of those women were probably forced into the abortion, or felt they had no choice. They wouldn't have made the choice willingly.

 

Blackrook, I can accept that SOME women will feel regret after an abortion, but not ALL women. Can you agree with that?

 

Yes, you make a good point here and one I was intending on bringing up with Churchmouse with his belief that a woman with children having an abortion cannot love her child.

An unexpected addition in modern society can make a massive difference. Probably the biggest cost to modern families is childcare and having to provide for one unexpected extra can just put too great a strain on the family if there are not grand parents at hand which often is the case. It can make having another child financially impossible. Of course these financial difficulties will continue.

The children they already have are usually the first consideration for a family faced with a new addition. Do they have enough space, can they financially provide for all, will they be able to give as much emotionally to the children they already have or will they become so exhausted, stressed out and poor that the whole family will suffer. It very often is the love of the children already there that is what makes the difference.

One step in the right direction would be the State providing quality nursery care for free for all children as they do in Norway. Let's see how many of the anti abortionists go along with that.