YOUNG, DUMB AND ARMED How Melbourne became a gun city

Australia is not Mexico who unfortunately happen to live next to the biggest gun runners in the world

 

Got any evidence that a “good guy with a gun”. Like have stopped that massacre. Especially since it appears they are the most infrequent

 

Spoiler: Spoiler

He was rescued

 

Sure.

Let's say two or three people sitting in that restaurant, or even outside the restaurant, or even a cop with a gun had been close to the restaurant.

Would they have been more or less likely to stop him with their own guns, or with their bare hands.

 

Yes, the US is to blame for the violence in Mexico. Sure.

Why is the murder rate in the US where there are more guns than people 1/4 or 1/5 of the murder rate in gun controlled Mexico.

 

Mexico has very strict gun control, yet every Drug Cartel Member has Military type weapons because the Mexican Government allows it.

Gun control has not worked in Mexico or anywhere else for that matter.

Civilians in Mexico obtain firearms from the U.S. trying to protect themselves from Cartels protected by the Mexican Government, becoming criminals on the process, these are the guns seized by the Mexican Police and complained about in the media, since the Authorities condone and Arm the Drug Cartels.

 

Considering all available articles pertaining to firearms smuggling in the nation of Australia, with firearms coming in from all over the world, and the thriving black market, it is difficult to see just how the nation of Australia is somehow better off than it was prior to the restrictions implemented after the Port Arthur incident.

 

Just like all other Gun Ban advocates they continue to deny evidence even given by their Police and Government that tacitly admits it has all been a waste of time.

 

If NASA says he is, I believe it.

 

You do realise dont you that there is a vast difference between "firearm offences" and "firearm mortality"?

When they talk about a "rise in firearm offences" that also includes and mostly includes illegal weapons that have been seized. So Joe Bloggs who is a junkie gets a gun from his dealer - his girlfriend who has had enough of the abuse dobs him in to the police

Result - Joe is now charged with possession of an illegal firearm

Now the dealer can also be charged etc etc etc

Of course we willl have issues with smuggling and thank you for proving that we DO have issues with sumuggling because the excuse that "Australia is lucky it is an island and can control what is imported" line was and is bull

What we have is a way of dealing with it and the rise in offences is actually proof that the police ARE dealing with it

 

Because Mexico does not have the policing infrastructure dealing with guns

One thing to have a law on the books another to have the means and the will to enforce it

 

But your own FBI report has not supported that fantasy

And even better - with the Dallas shooting the OPEN CARRY GROUP RAN AWAY!!

http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-...arry-gun-law-under-scrutiny-2016-7/?r=AU&IR=T

22 people shot in 2 minutes - and in a time when Tasmania allowed farmers to drive around with shotguns openly displaying in the truck

It was not a :so called "gun free zone"

 

Has the firearm mortality increased to American level? No? Then we are still better off

 

We don't have the will to enforce gun violations.

 

You as usual, fail to take into account important salient factors.

Mortality in America / U.S.A. in general, has to be higher than any other Country and for obvious reasons.

Not only firearms, since firearms are not the leading cause of deaths, and certainly not in criminal acts and violence in general as the total of criminal acts and violence includes other instruments to include hammers and blunt objects, bats and axes etc....

I know this from observations while serving in E.M.S. and Law Enforcement.
There is more to crime than guns, which constitute a substantial part of crime in general.

Australia simply has never had the criminal problems prevalent in America today.

So to merely point out that the U.S.A. has a higher violence or mortality rate than other Nations is only to state the obvious as no other Country in the World has our unusual set of circumstances.

Again, the F.B.I. caution against ranking in the Uniform Crime Report says it all, simply pointing at higher murder and crime rates in other cities and Countries is not correct, as it does not take into account vast differences of population, histories, ethnicities, races, cultures, languages, education, employment, economy, housing, transportation, oportunities etc...

Hence why a direct comparison between the effective results and crime rates between Nations is incomplete and yeilds no usable information.

 

An inaccurate statement.
Mexico does have the ability and the means and expertise and even the will, to enforce any firearms policy.

How do we know ?

Mexico currently has some of the strictest gun control far surpassing any other Country.

Mexico also has a burgeoning Illegal Drug industry and criminal infrastructure economically surpassing and dwarfing the gross national product of some Nations.

The profit motive involved is so high, and given the street demand in the U.S.A. for these products, and low salaries paid in Mexico, Government, Police, Military, and the allure of high pay for looking the other way.

Here in the U.S. looking the other way is also an incentive for high pay and retirement benefits for making the right political decisions making illegal drug trade easier.

 

Really? Which FBI report?

I see you're still talking about Dallas when I've already explained to you multiple times what happened.

If being unarmed works just as well as being armed, then why do the police respond with guns?

 

You've already surrendered to the bad guys.
The intelligent person would have surrendered to the peaceful citizens long ago.

 

He's committing murder, why the **** would he care about a fine?

 

Which is bogus, I have had guns since I was of age to own them, and since I owned my own first gun, I ceased to be a victim.

 

Mexico and Mexicans are the Gun runners" as supply and demand, and the corrupt Mexican Government, the majority of those firearms are not of American origin.
Original AKs and R.P.G..s and other European and Russian Military hardware.

 

Only because such a false view serves your hard wired opinion against legal ownership of firearms.

 

Taking guns from good guys keeps you safe. Haven't you heard?

 

What false view? I am talking of the FBI research that found that only 3% of mass shootings were stopped by armed citizens https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/active-shooter-study-2000-2013-1.pdf

 

I have see reports that say otherwise