US Army;Murder for sport, body-parts for trophies

the US's involvement witht eCongo spansd a lot more than the last 25 years - and no - western leftists are not really silent on this.

in fact, I only know about this issue because leftists raise it - its not an issue for conservatives AT ALL - and the death toll from the ongoing conflict (which doesn't involve Islam) is much larger than any of the other conflicts we hear about.

you should be asking why it doesn't get western media coverage - not blaming the left.

you know why it doesn't?

because it doesn't involve oil, and it doesn't involve Muslims and Israel's interests.


it has nothing to do with the left.

WRT the US - unfortunately my country has cast its lot in with you lot - I wish we would move on and disengage somewhat. AS long as we continue to be associated with you, our credibility as a neutral state is harmed.

 

I don't think this is describing anything someone has needed to do to survive.

it reflects a complete disregard for the humanity of the victim - and this is the product of propaganda, poor education about the people/place you are going to and poor support for soldiers.

It may also reflect the views of those in charge, who - while not pulling the trigger - set up the conditions for events like this to occur.

 

Your lot isn't with the US. Your country falls outside what will be the sphere of influence of what remains of America. But your country will fall within the region that will be contested by the superpowers of this century. That is not a good thing for your people.

 

tell our leaders that.

both sides of politics are a bunch of arselickers fawning over the US - regardless of who is in.

only the Greens have any integrity.

 

Gweipo,

Your fellow citizens will realize what is in store for them after it is too late to do anything about it. But that is a generation away imo.

Western leftists remind me of retired generals. They are always fighting the last war.

 

True, the gurnt in the Army is highly intellegent, and the intellectual qualification for his job in in the top 30% of the military, and his mental strehght is the highest of all military personnell other than the elite forces of special ops. Belive me if you are a grunt in the field taking the pain, you don't care if people back home "support you", they just want to make it home. And the behaviors some do, (although dispicable), will give those individuals just enough mojo to keep in the fight without craking up and running amuc. These conditions are like Wars of the past, Wars are all the same for the grunt, they do things and experience things the propaganda media does not show, Too XXX rated, not for sex but for vilolence. If you don't like what the gurnts are doing, and oppose thier behavior, you should volunteer to see some of these fellows, or to work as a infantryman, that is the only way you will know why they do the things they do. Nothing sepaks volumes like seeing and doing.

 

why are there so many reports of americans doing this - but it is relatively rare for other soldiers?

I am sure that others do commit war crimes (there have been reports among british and australian troops, for example) but nowhere near as much.

to me, a lot of it comes back to your training - and maybe personal qualities as well.

if you need to murder children for fun to make your war experience bearable, then you aren't soldier material.

or at least shouldn't be fighting in the kind of war that exists in Iraq, Afghanistan ... or in virtiually every war from the second half of the 20th century on.

 

It seems that they expect- and usually get- a whitewash and a knuckle rap for being caught.

http://www.politicalforum.com/latest-world-news/229204-justice-american-way.html


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Yes, but but, the stress of combat, the trauma of war, he's just a kid, you've never served in a war zone. Pick your excuse...

 

Very one sided article. Saw only charges against the soldiers and nothing from their side. And we all know how the world hates America and american soldiers and would say anything. even people in the US.

 

hmmm. as i suspected. There's a lot more to this case if you aren't so involved in condemning the american military.

 

Americans can't keep secrets.

 

Lets see:

Excuses:

1. War is hell.

2. The other side does it.

3. It didn't really happen, nobody saw me do it, you can't prove anything.

All such excuses fail.

All such behaviour needs to be condemned and punished for the following very good reasons:

1. The best armies are about the disciplined use of force, the precise amount, at the right place and the right time. There are two reasons for this:

(a) The effect of excessive force and bad behaviour on the enemy.

(b) The effect on the Army.

Taking the latter first, indisciplined troops:

1) Waste ammo.

2) Waste time instead of concentrating on the mission.

3) Encourage time wasting and indisciplined behaviour in other soldiers.

4) Destroy the reputation of the unit with americans at home as well as the locals. In previous centuries soldiers were feared by the civilian populations on both sides of conflicts because of their bad behaviour to the point where they weren't even allowed into cities at all - my unit actually received the "Freedom of the City of Melbourne" which is a very old form of honor.

Effect on the enemy:

1.Makes surrender far more unlikely, there is a tendency to fight to the death if you know that you will be killed anyway. That makes your job much harder.

2. Almost guarantees that any Americans taken prisoner will receive the same treatment - torture and execution.


Trust me on this, there is no upside for an Army getting a reputation as a bunch of homicidal thugs.

 

No American soldier captured by any enemy after the surrender of Nazi Germany has received the benefit of any protection under the Geneva Conventions. None. Nor will any American soldier ever receive it. The Geneva Conventions only apply to Western soldiers fighting each other. How likely is that to happen again?

 

In my fine opinion, it is always going to happen. it shouldn't, and those who do behave in this manner deserve the legal repercussions.

However, you are sending humans over to essentially kill people. That does not seem to be an easy task. I don;t want to kill anyone. I am guessing you do not. I am also guessing most of the military does not want to kill anyone. So how do you do it? Dehumanize your enemy. Krauts, japs, zipperheads, never refer to them as people. Convince yourself that they are not people.

And this is the end result. No respect for what is human life because you are convinced it is not human life.

 

Point 4. My city is home to the Royal Marines training camp. There was a time, not so long ago, that they were barred from the town when on leave for exactly that kind of idiotic behaviour-picking fights, molesting women etc.

 

How common is it?

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Why do you keep yapping on about "trophy hunting"?

These troops murdered THREE people!

 

sadly, some here do not regard Afghans as people, any more than Charlie company regarded the people of My Lai as people, or Chevington regarded the Cheyenne and Arapaho as people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sand_Creek_massacre

which is why they can use the term "trophy hunting" in relation to heinous crimes such as this.

 

I agree, all US Troops, personnel, money, ships, assets, heck everything, should be pulled from the Middle East.

Then just nuke the whole place. The world is sick of their childish bickering over a stupid rock!

 

so you are basically saying its true - you don't regard them as people ...

although I have to ask ....

how does "bickering over a stupid rock" relate to Afghanistan?

 

I regard everyone as "people", some just deserve to leave the planet sooner than others lol!

Can't just kill some of them, have to get them all (both sides), or they'll ooze back into that area like a cesspool with a leak.

Of course I've asked for a better solution to stopping this, and no one has offered one... So until you do, mine stands as the best idea.

 

what has afghanistan got to do with "bickering over a stupid rock?"

a better solution might be if the us reviewed its foreign policy generally.

 

I agree. The US should have a very simple foreign policy.

No one gets anything from here, unless they ask.

If one drop of American blood hits their soil during the help, they become our next state.

Simple and effective.

 

perhaps the US should stop interfering with other countries and trying to get what they have too ...

be good for to get over your fossil fuel addiction.