Turkey says Attack on Iran will be disastrous

Maybe the USA will sit this one out... Fat chance.

 

That's not what I said. Either I need an editor or you need glasses.

 

Gentlemen, come on now, you're both wrong

But I don't get this poll.... People actually think "Israel" attacking Iran will be good for the region?

Salam

 

Your people not recognizing Israel is the first roadblock to peace between the Jewish and Muslim people. If you don't recognize your adversary surely any violent acts against them are justified, after all, they don't even technically exist! Unfortunately many more Muslims will have to shed blood before they learn...if ever...

 

That's complete and utter BS. You could take away the nukes and completely disarm Pakistan altogether, and it would never face a threat from India. India is first of all, a majority Hindu country and second of all, a western liberal democracy, and since India is a Hindu country as opposed to a Muslim country and also a western liberal democracy, Pakistan faces absolutely zero threat from India whatsoever.

However, on the other hand, if India doesn't always remain vigilant and armed to the teeth, it will inevitably be attacked by Pakistan and other Islamic countries the instant it lets its guard down for the purpose of Islamic conquest in the cause of Allah per the dictates of Islam.

The same thing goes for Israel. The instant the Israelis let their guard down, they will be attacked also. Not because Israel allegedly stole land, which is absurd, but instead for Islamic conquest per the dictates of Islam.

In fact, there is absolutely no justification for Pakistan to possess nuclear weapons, other than to export and proliferate them to the Islamic world. Indeed, if the West knows what is good for it, after it destroys Iran's nuclear weapons program, it will also disarm Pakistan as well.

 

Okay if that is not what you meant, then I apologize, but please try to be a little less ambiguous in the future.

 

Okay if that is not what you meant, then please accept my humble apologize, but please try to be a little less ambiguous in the future.

 

No not really. If Iran acquires nukes with impunity, they will become far more belligerent and aggressive, which will inevitably cause oil prices to skyrocket permanently. In addition, the massive Saudi owned Pakistani nuclear weapons arsenal, will get proliferated throughout the the Sunni Islamic world virtually overnight to counter a nuclear armed Shi'a Iran, further causing oil prices to skyrocket even higher. Thus, not only will oil prices be astronomically sky high, but the Islamic world with their Islamic imperative to make Islam supreme throughout the world, will be armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons.

Hence, unless we have a death wish, we have no other choice but to stop Iran from getting nukes at all cost.

 

The USA is insane if it allows the Saudis to acquire nuclear power. Indeed, it is one of the reasons why Obama must not be allowed to win reelection.

 

My friend, there is one problem with your analysis. The American left will sandbag any attempted use of force by a conservative president.

They will permit the use of force by a leftist president, but leftists are ipso facto incapable of using force effectively.

Look at Libya as an example. Obama has only succeeded in putting Islamists in power who are hostile to the best interests of the Americans.

Thus, it is not possible for America to use force effectively. Either Americans will allow their own vast natural resources to be developed or they will see their children dumpster diving. The choice is theirs.

 

Then the Muslim world has a long road ahead of it.

Taqqiya is proving to be very difficult in the Age of Information.

Muslims defending Islam are only hurting the reputation of the religion. What must happen is a recognition within the faith of SOME bad actors and a reformation movement.

And as long as they try to wipe out Israel bad things will happen...

 

Islam is not a religion. Instead, it is a supremacist theo-political totalitarian ideology that masquerades as being a religion to dupe the gullible societies it targets for demographic conquest and subjugation into a very draconian form of Islamic totalitarianism via the imposition of Sharia to make Islam supreme.

Indeed, Islam, in stark contrast to true faith-based religions, requires first and foremost that all Muslims submit totally, completely, and unconditionally to the will of Allah, where the freedom of conscience is forbidden and where blasphemy and apostasy are capital offenses. As a matter of fact, the word Islam in Arabic means “submission” and the word Muslim in Arabic means “one who submits.”

Thus, what faith-based religions similarly forbid the freedom of conscience and likewise punish blasphemy and apostasy under the pain of death? The answer obviously is none of them, proving irrefutably that Islam is not a faith-based religion.

Therefore, it is impossible for Islam to ever be reformed and, in any event, anyone trying to reform Islam is instantly recognized as being a blasphemer and blasphemy is a capital offense in Islam. Plus, there are also numerous other sundry reasons why Islam can never be reformed.

Islam in the West must eventually be outlawed and mass Muslim immigration with all of its excess baggage must be banned and reversed, as Muslims never ever migrate to the West or anywhere else for that matter to assimilate and integrate, but instead to eventually subjugate and dominate via the eventual imposition of Sharia for the purpose of stealth demographic conquest to make Islam supreme.

 

The biggest fear for the US is a state, or even worse, a non-state detonating an atomic weapon in a US population center that they have smuggled into the US in a shipping container. Even the most sociopathic regimes wouldnt be foolish enough to launch a ballistic missile against US interest as we would know where it came from and deploy a counter strike before the incoming warhead had landed. If a warhead was smuggled into the US it would take is some time to identify its origin. If the US was attacked by a non state entity the US would be left with some limited and unattractive counter strike options. Hence, the deterrence of MAD starts to break down witg the proliferation of atomic wmds.

 

I think you're taking Islam too seriously. I suggest you to read the Ottoman history, especially the Tanzimat period. The Ottomans had been quite good to handle what you described here impossible: Reformation.

 

Invading Iraq was a near disaster (some would say it was a disaster). Iran would be at least 5 times tougher (maybe more like 25 times). Bombing them is going to create lots of enemys (possibly including China).

Also I believe that the foreign minister of a neighboring country is likely to know something about what would be likely to occur.

 

Ohhh... "You people" hey?

Explain how not recognizing "Israel" is an obstacle to peace, compared to oh let's say... Refusing Palestinian right to return, refusing a one-state solution, refusing a two-state solution, refusing Palestines democratically elected government, refusing to recognize Palestine (ohhhh how about that?), kidnapping Palestinian child prisoners, killing Palestinian children, funding illegal settlements, building illegal settlements, arming and training wackjob settlers, bulldozing Palestinian houses and villages to make room for illegal settlements, stealing land, illegal blockade, shooting Palestinian fishermen trying to get fish, holding injured people up at check points (which results in quite a few deaths...), ummmm what else?

But NO! The only thing preventing peace is the PALESTINIANS! Because these stubborn fools don't recognize "Israel"! Grrrrr how dare they!

You know, its interesting though. Before "Israel" was created, Jews, Muslims, and Christians lived peacefully together. No preconditions to this peace. In fact, Jerusalem has been a city of co-existance between Muslims and Jews dating back all the way to Salah ad-Deen's time. Then, this "Israel" state gets created and now peace needs to be earned? No thanks. Want peace? Let the Zionists leave. Then there will be peace AGAIN. Guaranteed. Zionists are like the Crusaders back then, peace didn't come until Salah ad-Deen united the Muslims and liberated Jerusalem or al-Quds. Many Muslims and Jews were killed. Today, its Muslims and Christians being killed. We need another man like Salah ad-Deen... Inshallah soon.

Also interesting, this "recognition" garbage Zionists whine about....

Turkey recognizes "Israel", didn't seem to save those Turkish activists executed on the Mavi Marmara... One of the victims was a Turkish-American, he got shot... I think multiple times in the head. A couple in Thw chest. My memory is a little fuzzy. Even though Turkey recognizes "Israel", they're still waiting for an apology... So this "recognition" bull crap is a weak excuse to avoid peace it self.

 

No he wasn't an American. He was a Turk. He may have held an American passport, but that doesn't make him an American.

 

I love it, the scripture is so beautifully coming together.

Go on now son, gather up your armies and lead them into Jerusalem.

 

Haha that's all you have to say?

 

Says who? What makes somebody an American then?

 

There is nothing to say to you. You are destined by "God" to hate the Jews. Do your thing. They will destroy you.

 

i wonder, what Turkey would do if Iran´d be attacked ....

 

Shared consciousness and shared belief in the ideal of individual liberty.

 

Attack Americans at Incirlik.