Germany is cutting solar-power subsidies because they are expensive and inefficient

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Where did you get your bunk chart?

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    Late afternoon and early evening in residential areas when everyone is getting home and getting their houses cooled, their clothes washed and dried, supper cooked and their big screens and computers and gameboys and stereos and house lights and street lights and the shopping centers and entertainment places and restaurants and bars are firing up.

    So where do you get the electricity for then and when it's cloudy?
     
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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From a costly and unnecessary dual electricity infrastructure, one we can ill afford in this Obamanomics economy with 1.7% GDP growth for all of 2011.
     
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    If its so simple and "basic" why are so many solar companies in this country failing? Or are they run by the RW?
     
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    I dunno. Never analyzed it. The OP's article was about Germany. It is pretty easy to see if you look at average daily sunlight charts that with current technology solar is not a viable option in Germany. After looking at the VERY simple maps do you doubt that?
     
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    Tell the German taxpayers who are out of pocket $130 billion for a climate-change policy that has no impact on global warming that it was worth it for a "good try". Make sure you can run real fast lest you wind up hanging from a tree limb.

    p.s. Thomas Edison didn't use taxpayers dollars for his research.
     
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    I wasnt talking to you in that post. I wasnt discussing Germany in that post. I was discussing her post. Thanks.
     
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    What is the typical amount of full sunlight during a 24 hour period and what are you going to do in the other hours?
     
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    Thomas Edison received millions grants for research. Your assertion that research is only done by private industry is an axiom of your ignorance.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_military_technology
    Edison’s Board produced very few useful innovations, but NRC research resulted in a moderately successful sound-based methods for locating submarines and hidden ground-based artillery, as well as useful navigational and photographic equipment for aircraft. Because of the success of academic science in solving specific military problems, the NRC was retained after the war’s end, though it gradually decoupled from the military


    I don't see/read the Germans complaing about the research.
     
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    Don't forget plugging in those Volts. Or they won't be getting home...they'll never be able to leave.
     
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    Why did so many "dot.boom" companies fail. Solar energy at a massive scale is still early in engineering technology.

    Solar energy does work, i.e. the US military, I've seen it.
    Ref: http://www.military.com/news/article/army-news/solar-power-to-energize-detroit-arsenal.html
    http://energy.about.com/od/Solar/a/U-S-Military-Relies-On-Solar-Power.htm

    Hence another reason why the US govt should be doing research on new technology.
     
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    Celebrate,
    celebrate,
    dance to the mus-ic. :wink:

    Hydrogen,
    hydrogen,
    dance to the mus-ic.... :)

    Wie oft scheint die Sonne in Deutschland? Not so much.... :D
     
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    For solar or electricity which is the subject of this thread? It doesn't say how much he was given in grants, so please link to the millions. Your post is against the left field fence in relation to solar power. Please try to stay on topic. To stray away from the topic is truly the axiom of ignorance .

    No one said they were, however they should be.
     
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    Mostly because most .com companies were on paper only. They didn't actually have any brick and mortar facilities, They manufactured nothing..they just 'sold' ideas to investors and issued stocks. WTF kind of way to do business was that? They were a lot like FaceBook. FaceBook values itself at 100 Billion $.
    But it exists digitally in cyberspace.
     
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    Please look at the multiple sunlight charts that have been posted. They are fairly simple to read.


    Most people with even a modicum of common sense know that any utility of large enough size uses a mix of generating technologies. Most people also realize there is a national grid and electricity is moved around the country constantly.

    Now there is one thing that a lot of people who are not very educated about these matters don't know. There is a concept called net metering. During the middle of the day when your solar panel is generating at 100% many states allow you to sell your excess electricity back to the grid. So your meter actually runs in reverse. So at night if you need to supplement your solar array by drawing from the grid you can and you can still end up with no electric bill. It's pretty sweet. You can sell electricity to your utility at peak prices and at nine o'clock at night until you wake up you buy electricity from the same utility at cheaper off peak prices.

    Net metering. Look it up.
     
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    Google, eBay, Amazon...
     
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    So now you speak for the German people, right!!

    You stated Edison didn't use taxpayer money for his research, it is documented he did.

    For US govt research that are paying off:
    http://energy.about.com/od/Solar/a/U-S-Military-Relies-On-Solar-Power.htm
    http://www.military.com/news/article/army-news/solar-power-to-energize-detroit-arsenal.html

    Hence you and your RW argument against solar technology is invalid, get use to it. :)
     
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    Thank you, ironically these yahoos insist on giving business advice.
     
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    As has been pointed out in thread after thread right wingers don't know anything about the tax code and they sure as heck don't know anything about business.

    I actually sat down and put pen to paper to figure out the costs and benefits of a solar install on my parents house. I looked up the climate information. I looked up the solar panel efficiency data. I studied net metering. I looked at tax credits and subsidies. I did all the homework. In the less than a week of careful study it became obvious to me that solar as it is today was not a viable option for my parents in their climate.

    Of course on this forum we get a bunch of right wingers that don't even bother to read the articles they post telling us what experts they are on the subject.
     
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    Right, according to your infinite RW business logic, Google is all on paper.

    They develop software, software, while you do not understand, and that is fine, many people don't, but it is a product.

    Now for Google; Google with its web search engine, a software product that offers a web service. Companies pay Google to have their site listed first, or close as possible, because the people will more than not, click on the first link provided, hence it is a marketing tool. If you need more info on how it works I will than helpful.

    What you were referring was "vaporware", where a company began being funded to produce a product, that didn't make the cut. Yes, there were plenty of those, and there was some success. I.e., I suggest you look at the success rate of new restaurants, should people stop starting up restaurants.
     
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    LMAO, most people do exactly what you did, they do their homework. These yahoos just parrot out RW slogans and metaphors, and don't offer much of an argument. Keep up the good work.
     
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    Where did I say I did?

    For solar power? That's the subject of the thread.

    Solar power is failing around the world, it's just not economically viable. Sell your green chip stocks or cut them into 4" squares in case you run out of paper in the loo.
     
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    A totally pathetic attempt to try and distract from the fact you just got busted.
     
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    Glad you think so, but I can help ADD posters that stray form the subject of the thread.
     
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    The solar power faithful don't even want to add that to the mix but in fact their selling point for electric cars is that they will all be charged during no peak periods.

    So where does the electricity come from?
     

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