Oklahoma Senate overwhelmingly approves bill saying life begins at conception

Please do not get me started because it would be more than you would believe - just because YOU have not heard of them does not mean they do not exist

 

Suuuuure - have they decided on a definition of "conception" yet? Are they going to put it at fertilisation or implantation?

 

One more reason to avoid yet another irrelevant Godforsaken boring po dunk red state........no offense to OKgrannie.

 

Um, implantation occurs after fertilization/conception.....lol.

You want to take a mulligan on that one?

 

i think and egg joined with a sperm is alive and human but what makes it a person?

 

Birth........

 

how so?

....

 

Don't be so complacent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_pregnancy_controversy

 

Because only after birth can the baby sustain its own life, independant from the host (woman)

 

Um, no the baby can't sustain it's own life after birth. Unless you have seen a baby pop out, run to the nearby Wendy's and order up a double with fries.

Baby still requires momma to feed him, change him, basically keep him alive.

 

Not true. Anyone can do those things for the baby.

 

God bless. Are we really gonna go here? Really???

Momma takes care of her baby people. Along with dad. Let's not play stupid here OK?

Edit: just for the record, your own attempt at passing the facts off, even if momma isn't there, the baby requires SOMEONE to sustain his life. So you still fail to turn the tide....lol.

Baby requires momma to take care of him. Baby can't sustain himself.

Adult human beings it's time to quit denying reality here and just accept the facts on this.

 

Oh dear, oh dear.

Can you really not see the difference between needing care and needing to be attached to the inside of a woman?

A newborn baby sustains its own life by using its own organs.

A foetus doesn't.

 

Oh my.

Your still not gettin it.

Whether in the womb or not, the baby's organs are working. We have developed tests that can find defects in baby organs in the womb.

Whether or not the baby is attached or not, doesn't matter at all.

In the womb or out of the womb, the MOTHER has to sustain the baby's life, or it will die. A baby cannot feed itself. Therefore, it cannot sustain itself. Sure, the baby's organs will work for awhile, but eventually, the baby starves to death and has organ failures. Same thing happens if the ban is in the womb and momma starves herself.

Y'all need to stop trying to create new arguments out of sheer desperation.

If a baby could sustain itself, it wouldn't require mom breastfeeding him or providing him with a bottle.

Not complicated, UNLESS your trying to justify killing that baby.

 

Ever hear the term "wet nurse" or the more modern version "milk bank"?

A baby can be cared for by anyone it is not dependent on one individual alone - you even acknowledge that point by saying "Momma and Dad"

BTW you have not answered my question about conception

Have they defined WHEN conception occurs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beginning_of_pregnancy_controversy

Perhaps more accurately we should ask - have they decided when to measure the beginning of a pregnancy?

 

The organs are not working when there is only a couple of cells TO work

and the lungs do not mature until about week 24 - and only if the mother has been given hydrocortisone - the skin is not mature enough to aid survival until 22 weeks the blood vessels in the brain are still very friable at this stage

That is why there has been no further advances in how young premature babies can be saved - except in rare rare circumstances (waits for inevitable stories of 22 week olds surviving)

 

More like "yay for extremism!".

Hard line position are hardly logical.

 

but being alive does not make most things a person why so for a human?

 

Fail. So adoptions don't exist?

Your claim that the MOTHER is required to care for baby is false.

 

This is why your side will ultimately fail. The only defense you present is "protecting life is a slippery slope".

 

That is where your side will fail, because the things I have mentioned MUST logically follow.

 

This is nonsense. You want to slaughter countless millions of children, yet you claim we don't care? You have no standing to say that about ANYONE else!!!

 

Well now we see why so many people HATE Texans.

 

Poor things, we are taking the right to commit premeditated homicide away from her. How mean of us,

 

You are absolutely correct. Roe was a purely political peice of garbage.