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More than reasonable. It's the ONLY position for civilized people to hold. It's the position I hold. It's almost certainly the position moon holds, snake holds and every anti-Zionist fascist I know holds. It is one that you ought to hold too but for some reason, yet explained, you seem reluctant to do so. I see no evidence of anti-semitism on this board. If you do, kindly point it out to the rest of us and I will report it. Your anti-semitic slurs are disingenuous and tiresome.

 

It IS a fascist regime. Your denialism effectively means you are an apologist for the said fascism.

 

Nonsense, most of your ilk (moon specifically) consider Tel Aviv and Haifa to be occupied land and if you think the Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world are willing to settle for less than the entire Palestine - think again.

At any rate, per UN Resolution 242 the occupation can only end in exchange for peace, secure negotiated borders and recognition

 

Yawn....more nonsense from the propaganda sponge.

 

Truth hurts. Every call for a one-state solution is a call to eliminate Israel.

 

Its not the only position for civilized people to hold, but I'm not surprised that you think your position is the only right one.

As an anti-zionist fascist? is that a freudian slip?

As for evidence of anti-semitism, I do see it. For instance, Marlowe and Abu have repeatedly demonstrated such behaviour. I was incorrect in labelling you, but given his posts, I have concluded that moon is. That is my opinion and so far its borne out by his failure to actually engage.

And FYI, I have always stated that Israeli settlements are land theft. that the occupation is brutally oppressive, and Likud et.al are only interested in annexation of the WB. Perhaps you should review my posts.

 

Are you stating that I'm anti-jewish ? ' Antisemitism ' is an accepted misnomer in its classical usage. Of course, should you state that I'm anti-jewish I'll lodge a complaint as it would be an insult and a personal attack.

 

You see, this is what I'm talking about.

Moon refuses to explain, so perhaps you have more cojones.

Given the definition of Fascism, can you please explain to us all how Israel could be categorized as a Fascist regime? This position is not a reasonable one since to be true, you have to heavily modify the very definition of fascism.

There isn't one anti-zionist on this board that will actually pick up the gauntlet and debate this issue. they just parrot what noted anti-semites, communists, islamists and far out whackos claim.

This kind of behaviour leads me to believe that perhaps there is more emotion than reason in the anti-zionist crowd and strong emotions can sometimes lead to irrational generalizations.

 

You raise an interesting point.

Why is "anti-jewish" an insult but "fascist" or "zionist child murderer" is not?

At what point does using a word to accurately describe somebody's behaviour or response cross the line into insult and personal attack.

If for instance somebody says "stop your whining you're behaving like a child" would that be considered a personal attack and an insult?

Does truth excuse a personal attack/insult?

I'd like to insure that when engaging with somebody that is hypersensitive that I can communicate my opinion without really insulting them.

 

I'm sorry but you just refuse, for whatever reason, to accept the reality of the situation. It's a kind of denialism akin to, say, AGW denialism. Maybe you have Jewish Israeli relatives who live in Israel, I don't know?

Moon has repeatedly dealt with your attempts at ducking and weaving.

 

That is EXACTLY what the Apartheid Afrikaner nationalist regime in South Africa claimed.

Thank you for the confirmation.

 

That's what every country on the planet claims, demolishing unlicensed constructions is no racism but a standard policy of all governments on the planet.

 

RUBBISH!! Absolute twaddle.

Here's your chance to prove your claim that the anti-Zionists on this forum simply parrot whacko claims, by debunking just this one example of the many Myths we have cratered:

Off you go to prove that that is just the parroting of far out whackos. I hope you enjoy your attempt.

 

Jonsa cannot accept the reality that fascism in Israel is legislated for. Hence, the laws of the Talmud are the exact antithesis of the laws of democracy. He cannot grasp, therefore, that Israel cannot really be Talmudic (e.g. Jewish) and democratic at the same time. The contradiction between the two characters is intrinsic, absolute and eternal, which underscores the utter mendacity and falsehood of the Israeli claim that Israel is both a Jewish and democratic state.

 

According to existing common understandings in Israel today, a Jewish state is simply a state where the laws of the land are based on Halakha or Talmudic Laws. Apparently Jonsa seems incapable of grasping the fact that this body of mostly anachronistic laws is inherently discriminatory against non-Jews living in the Jewish state.

The Bible (Old Testament) says non-Jews living under Halacha must be enslaved as water carriers and wood hewers.

Numerous Talmudic passages go as far as ascribing an animal status for non-Jews whose lives have no sanctity and whose flesh is like the flesh of donkeys and issue of semen like that of horses!!

In recent months, several prominent rabbis reasserted some of the more overtly racist Talmudic edicts which allow Jews to murder non-Jewish children at will if there is the lightest suspicion that these kids would be hostile to Jews when they grew up.

It is true that not all Jews subscribe to religious Judaic literature viewing non-Jews as fundamentally inferior.

Reform, conservative and progressive Jews, in addition to numerous secular and atheist Jews, scoff at the Orthodox rabbinic establishment, which is dominant in Israel, for "clinging to anachronistic and out-dated concepts that don't belong to this age."

However, and this is the most important point, the hegemonic Orthodox establishment is engendering its fascist policies in Israel irrespective of internal or external opposition.

Israel is a fascist state, period.

 

Just can't do it can you.

I'm not ducking or weaving, but there are some here who certainly are weasling.

Come on, be a man stand up and explain to us all what exactly your belief means?

Oh wait, you won't and moon won't and abu won't and marlowe won't because you can't.

Its such a simple thing really, but being intellectually dishonest (is that an insult) seems to be de rigeur for you and your pals.

 

I see how this goes.

I for one have never claimed that the bulk of palestinians immigrated prior to 48 to counter the jewish influx.

Nor have I ever claimed that all the palestinians left of their own accord in 48.

But of course, using your impeccable logic if one historic claim is erroneous then all claims are erroneous.

Now I'll repeat this for you because obviously you have some trouble in comprehension.

I CLAIM THAT THOSE THAT CALL ISRAEL FASCIST ARE SIMPLY PARROTING FAR OUT ANTI SEMITIC WHACKOS.

And so far, the parrots refuse to directly respond. Seems they are either incapable of actually mouthing the truth or are simply not prepared to give up a great propaganda label even if its is wrong.

Gone on bigshot. You want to give the old school try?

 

Now for instance, this erroneous position can be found ONLY on anti-semitic websites. Its a stupid ill informed and false argument. (is that a personal insult?)

Israel is not a Halachic state. Israel is a democratic state.

One day you may start dealing in the truth, but you really must get a better source of information. A source that doesn't lie and distort - in other words you should stay away from anti-semitic whackos.

 

Israel is not a democratic state

it is however an illegal occupier filled with war criminals and a drag queen army

 

I see, so what you are trying to say is that the ancient Talmud while not the law of the land in Israel nor the basis for the laws of the land in Israel is really the law of the land in Israel because the Orthodox Rabbis actually control the land of Israel. ( the exception is a citizen may voluntarily submit to rabbinic courts in family and personal status matters).

therefore Israel must be a fascist state because you have just used another lie to explain a lie. Yes, I see your logic here. Boy are you intellectually honest NOT!!!!!!!!

Its impossible to debate anything with bigots, morons, fanatics, persistent ignorance, and intellectually dishonesty.

 

Democratic states don't arrest people and children, without charges. Thats just one example, one of many.

Labeling everything and everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion of "Israel" as anti-Semetic is quite a "stupid ill informed and false argument" in itself.

 

Well, your claim is wrong. The current occupants of the Knesset not only talk in fascist terms but they conspire to pass racist legislation. The fascist activities of the neozionist State sit comfortably within even the definition of fascism which you, yourself, have provided. You claim that it doesn't but you are wrong.

Incidentally- we do sometimes get tired of repeating ourselves to every johnny-come-lately;
http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...t-israel-fascist.html?highlight=fascist+State
Personally, I also enjoy a game of Rope-a-dope.

 

Never mind your ' interesting point ', are you calling me anti-jewish or is you ain't ? Again, it would amount to an insult and personal attack so be specific when you attempt to grease the wheels on your former , apparent, slander.

 

Comprehension problems. I didn't TRY, rather I actually said what I said. It is you that is the moron. Moon has consistently dealt with your bull(*)(*)(*)(*). You previously provided a definition of fascism in your defence of why you argued Israel wasn't, in your view, a fascist state. Moon has demolished your argument, repeatedly.