Video;Israeli mob in ' Death to arabs ' attack

We've responded but you are a wilfull denialist. Oh, and we're back to the anti-semitic jibes. We are all anti-semites and you are a paragon of virtue...Lol. Seems as though it's YOU who is the whacko.

 

Everybody who disagrees with your crap is an anti-semite...We get that. We are all anti-semites.....Lol....The truth is that for Palestinian's everyday is Kristallnacht:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24176.htm

 

This is both the problm and the solution.

Democracy becomes fascist when the Cultural Institution begins to direct the actual rules, rather thanthe politicians inside the Institution of Law and Order.

When on Attack Group, the Arabs, are permutted to, well, "attack," while the good citizen is taught to be patient and let the Law take its course, they good citizens are supposed to see justice.

After 70 years and no end to the threats and terrorism, and mere talk by from the Political Institution, a Counter-Attack MUST rise up.

The same thing happens in all Democracies.
We see it in America.

The gAYS, the blacks, the women, the muslims, WELFARE, etc are all running the country by the Media influences and the fear of a voting block against the political stance taken by a politician.

 

Just luv your "definition" of democratic.

I don't label eveyone as anti-semitic, only those that can't quite hide it.

 

“Settlers attack West Bank mosque and burn holy Muslim books” was a London Times headline on December 11, 2009.

These attacks, together with the demolition of Palestinian homes, the uprooting of Palestinians’ olive groves, the innumerable checkpoints that prevent Palestinians from accessing schools, work, and medical care, the Israeli Wall that denies Palestinians access to the land stolen from them, and the isolation and blockade of the Gaza Ghetto, are part of the Israeli government’s policy of genocide for the Palestinians."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24176.htm

Yes, Israel is a fascist state.

 

If you call that a description of why Israel is fascist, then you must have failed critical thinking.

As for getting tired of repeating yourselves, it seems that is about all you can do.

I luv my george forman grill.

 

Yes, you said what you said. You either lied or repeated lies because the ignorance you displayed in that post is almost breathtaking.

You could only have gotten that from jewwatch et.al. because a legitimate academic source wouldn't publish such idiocy.

You certainly haven't demonstrated enough creativity to actually come up with that crap on your own.

As for Moon demolishing my argument, you really have no idea of what a rebuttal actually is.

I have forwarded you "Talmudic" post to the International Association of the Intransigently Ignorant. I do hope you win post of the year.

 

You can disagree with me as you so obviously so. Its just that you guys have such a hard time actually articulating why you disagree with me.

Seems you can't quite explain yourselves and when you do its either nonsensical garbage like "Israel is under talmudic law" or its a simple one dimensional response accompanied by either repetition or a premature ejaculation of triumph.

 

World News Daily. okay.

It took me a few moments to stop laughing at the closing sentence of this "article":

"Macho Americans who prance around as if they owned the world are nothing but the puppets of Israel. The US is not a country. It is a colony."

Yep that's credibility for you. No wonder you think the way you do. Critical thinking does not appear to be in your arsenal of tools.

And yes, that kind of statement can only come from a dyed in the wool anti-semite. Mr. roberts proves my point that not all anti-zionists are anti-semites but all anti-semites are anti-zionists.

 

West Bank: Arabs burn Jewish holy books
Seems it a common tactic.

although I grant you that the extremist settlers are as crazy and fanatical as any Islamist other than they tend not to blow themselves up.

Apart from the over the top nonsense about genocide, I don't think anyone could argue with this.

I'm familiar with you and your pals tactics. Now there was a fascist.

 

Take some time out from listening to yourself, Jonsa;

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...3407-case-terming-zionist-israel-fascist.html

It's plain that Israel is a fascist State- once you understand that being a ' democracy for jews ' is the same thing.

 

OMG.

Last time I looked, Israel had jews, muslims, christians, druze and...atheists.
All of those citizens had the vote.
There are arab Knesset members.
There is a supreme court that has on numerous occasions protected the rights of minorities.

And for some strange inexplicable reason you want to keep repeating that lame Israel is fascist by simply posting Paxton's pedantic definition that clearly does not apply.

I have taken the liberty to forward a synopsis of your posts in this regard to the International Association of the Intransigently Ignorant in hopes you win one of their annual awards. You deserve it.

 

Do you even know what you are talking about here, since the chrck points are the same thing you find between Mexico and the USA, or anyother two Nations.

No one is stopping PLO and Hamas kidsfrom going to their own schools.

 

Ah you should look at where the checkpoints are. They may be there for "security reasons" but funnily enough they seem to be places where ordinary palestinians try to go about their ordinary lives. You really should educate yourself about conditions in the territories. It ain't pleasant.

 

Fascist is as fascist does and the activities of Israel's neozionists fit any reasonable definition . You simply squawk against the fact because you're rooted in your own preconceptions. Learn to recognize fascism in a yarmulke and call it what it is. Fear of pedantry has skewed your logic. You've likely been accused of such in the past.

 

Great, so you couldn't provide a riposte to my example. But in fact you go further. You suggest that our claim that the Palestinian did not leave of their own accord is correct!!

Remember, I am responding to your claim that anti-Zionists on this forum only parrot whackos. You have just proved your own gross generalisation to be unfounded, and now you are trying to wind it back to one specific issue .. fascism. Sorry Jonsa, that's not how debating works. You dug a hole by making sweeping generalisations, and then fell into it.

 

I know that OJLeb, Moon and Zulu1 have taken you to task on it, but I have to add my bit.

1) Israel was created as a racist state. Its founders declared it to be unique to a creed or religion, namely Jewry. While that is not racism based on skin colour, it is within the modern definition, and that does not constitute a democracy.

2) Israel was created by the same process that the Afrikaner nationalists wanted for a white South Africa, namely expelling the indigenous populations to outlying areas so as to create an artificial majority in the 'homeland' and then claim Democracy. It is totally transparent and undemocratic and the world rejected it. Israel was created by the same process. QED?

Please point out any factual errors or parroting of whackos.

 

Not sure exactly where you are coming from, but I happen to recognize truth. I didn't suggest that all the palestinians did not leave of their own accord, I stated it as fact.

Intransigence is not my bailiwick, but seems your crowd can't get over your entrenched ideas. Apparently palestinian shytte don't stink.

Alternate reality, must be nice.

Okay. I didn't say that anti-zionists parrot anti-semitic whakos. I said anti-semites parrot anti-semitic whakos. The generalization is not unfounded, but I shall refrain in future from using that label.

 

Israel is not preoccupied with community decline, humiliation or victimhood. However Hamas and Fatah are.

Israel does not have a cult of unity, energy and purity that abandons democratic liberties.
However, Hamas does.

Israel does not have a mass based party of committed nationalist militants. The settlers are a minority therefore not mass based.
The Palestinians have TWO committed nationalist militant parties who sometimes fight each other.

Israel's traditional "elites" are in charge and seeing that there is no massed based party of committed nationalist militants that don't fit.
Seems Palestinian faces have been around for a couple of decades -does that qualify them as "elites"? And Hamas and Fatah certainly work in an uneasy collaboration just not very effective.


Israel has not abandoned democratic liberties.
But the Palestinians have. An election soon comes maybe.


Israel does not pursue redemptive violence. Retaliatory violence yes.
Hamas seems to pursue redemptive violence however. Don't think you can call the desire for martyrdom anything else.

Israel does not abandon legal nor ethical restrains, nor pursues a goal of internal cleansing. Even with the Bedouin in the Negev, the government is using legal means, offering compensation, and additional services. That doesn't sound like illegality nor unethical behaviour.

The current Israeli government does pursue a policy of expansion. One out of eight criteria.

Using your definition it seems Hamas/Fatah have a much higher Fascist rating that Israel.


Line by line, criteria by criteria. Wanna debate that? No, all any of you will do is say " Israel is fascist and we win". (Kilp that sure as heck ain't how "debating" works.)

 

1) Israel was created as a jewish state. To simplistically call that racist is disengenuous, particularly given that all citizens have a voice. All structures in support of democracy including most importantly an independent judiciary to safeguard the rights of minorities. Elections are held regularly and there is a smooth transition of power. There is a free and at time contentious press, citizens have the right to demonstrate and voice opposition to their governments moves.

So to fallacious seize on "jewish state" and extrapolate that to undemocratic/Fascist state is simply wrong.

2) Naturally you couldn't resist the apartheid reference. But, you are once again wrong. The world didn't reject it. Peruse the list of countries that recognize Israel. You guys have a most unusual perception of what democracy is all about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Israel


Calling Israel a fascist state or an undemocratic state or an apartheid state is not only in error, but is parroting whackos, albeit maybe not anti-semitic whackos. I use the term whackos because they are incapable of critical analysis, abandon logic and give into emotional responses not connected with reality or fact.

 

UNGA partition resolution #181 divided Mandate Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab states. Claiming that the UN overwhelmingly approved the creation of two racist states is moronic.

 

Never heard of jewwatch, sorry. Try again.

 

That will be a first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Absolute bunk... sorry but this is not a Freudian slip...
The 'LAND' is the Land of Israel and the 'NON ISRAELI ARABS' are squatters.

I am not interested to discuss 'your inner feelings' but rather historical facts!

 

This drag queen Army beat the S--- out of the Egyptian illustrious army in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973... You speak from both sides of your mouth. If it was not for H. Kissinger the Egyptian First and second Army would have turned into dust.

The only war criminals are all the Arab terrorists known internationally, in addition to HAMAS and HIBALSHAITAN.