Is Racial Segregation really a human rights Violation?

Per usual you missed the point here. I was responsing to Viv's post where she said 'the rest of us enjoy a bit of diversity'. I love diversity as much as the next guy, but Viv was suggesting the 'rest' of us' would enjoy diversity by mixing with other races or cultures. That was where she was simply wrong as I pointed out that not only wouldn't blacks from Harlem enjoy living or mingling in a KKK community, but that it would never ever happen for obvious reasons.

 

I didn't miss any point. The KKK and the black panthers and whatever other extreme you care to mention are xenophobic - so those who are not, generally enjoy diversity.

How can you be so contradictory to say you love diversity while promoting segregation?
Your views are becoming tangled.

 

Do you think there is such a thing as diversity of music, diversity of traveling itinerarys, diversity of food, diversity in educational learning sources, diversity of sport activities and diversity of health options in which to explore etc? Diversity can and does take on many differing entities, which may not have anything to do with joining the multicultural club to enjoy or explore them.

 

OK so aside from diversity in a travelling sense or any real tangible sense what you mean when you say you love diversity is you do so only if it is forged within your own white community. Which, my little libhating friend, is up to you. However, don't try and force it on everyone else. What Viv I think was trying to say is that a lot of people want to truly experience diversity. Want to go to a friends house who has a different culture, cooks different food, has a different background - it's what some would call interesting. I live in Bristol, England, it's a very multicultural city - once England's biggest port during the slave trade, waves of immigration came in the 50's and 60's mainly from Jamaica, I'm part of that to some degree, third generation. Bristol is a brilliant, vibrant artistic and musical city and we owe it to multiculturalism. People like you just get laughed at around here

Take a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXWTWS5n_6Q&feature=fvst

 

Diversity is not so bad when one actually has the MONEY to insulate oneself from the crime and living in close proximity with other people. Plenty of white people who "like" diversity live in middle class suburban neighborhoods with only a limited number of non-whites. And of those non-whites, many tend to be east asian, or the highly educated cream off the top ones; the "good minorities". These minorities are not very representative of the rest of them, most of whom live out of sight in the inner cities or poor neighborhoods. And the middle class whites who do live in "diverse" neighbourhoods still have plenty of other whites around them. It can be a whole different feeling when virtually no one else around you is your same ethnicity, or shares your same culture.

Those ethnic peoples that let their disrespectful children run around unattended, and constantly play loud music, are much more tolerable when one is separated from them by a big yard, a high gate, and the wall of your own house. It is a very different matter when you are in an apartment and their overcrowded family is living on top of you. Obviously lower income houses are spaced closer next to eachother, with less privacy. In many of the poor minority communities, it is virtually impossible to find any parking, because all the houses are overpacked with multiple families, with too many cars. When there are actually people living in the garage it is going to mean more cars out on the street!

So in conclusion, I would say that most whites have absolutely no idea what REAL diversity is really like. But more and more are finding out, as many are being forced into low-wage jobs and cannot continue to afford living in the continually shrinking white communities, isolated from all the problems where minorities live.

 

I'm not to assume you are a bad person etc, but you seem to assume I'm a Communist, which is as accurate as your previous posts, i.e. not accurate in any way.

Now what would you (if you were ever honest) label yourself? And what would civilised society label your views? Try to consider the conventional definition of racist when answering, not your own fictional version.

Excuse me while I pull your size 9 out of your mouth. As it happens, I have lived in many places. Try to remember also my husband originates from a country which is not full of WASPy right wing racists. Some of us go to different countries because we are interested in other cultures and learn from them. Some of us are on this forum for similar reasons.

I wouldn't. Your man Hovercraft is forever banging on about how much better his world would be if only he and people he deems similar enough to him to be deserving, were in his world. I am encouraging him to go ahead and found his world. It won't cost much to make him happy. Only himself, you and Libhater will be there with some racist righties who will soon become extinct.

Do you know you're holier than thou (not I)?

...never lets hypocrisy interfere with posting.

I'm thinking of visiting Bristol. I heard someone else talking about it recently and saying it has (or the people have) a lot of character and a strong sense of individuality about it.

I was also listening to an interview with Morgan Freeman last night. He said he was raised in a secure, happy community and no one cared about what white people were saying or doing. I think he would take the laughing approach. Perhaps black people might at one time have been happier segregated from arrogant racist dinosaurs, but the struggle against such people is almost over. They are a dying breed.

 

Sadly I don't think you are right. It could be hanging by a thread. I think the phrase is 'America is Browning', that is that by 2050 whites in the US will be a minority.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=... on the increase in europe and the us&f=false

In the UK, I would say yes, it probably is true ...but who can tell. First they came for the Muslims.......

 

I do not know where you live or where you get your ideas from but I cannot imagine they are reality anywhere.

We do not share your separateness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_African-Caribbean_community

Further we do not have your mix where all the white people have good jobs and all the non white are engaging in crime. The English riots for instance covered deprived areas (Muslims and other Asians generally not rioting and looting) but apart from that they were in poor areas and the people in those areas were rioting whether they were black or white.

What country can you possibly live in that does not have a history of the majority of white people being poor and where you can come up with such a stereotypical picture of racial apartheid I do not know. South Africa 25 years ago maybe?

 

There's St Pauls festival and a few other street parties in the summer, I recommend it. Unfortunately I think the fest will be a bit smaller this year, we're constantly in a battle about it, there was 60,000 people last year. The harbourside fest is much more family orientated, but less exciting imo. Anyway yeah come down, you'll have fun!

 

De jura segregation is a violation of human rights.

Aint any of you all's business whose fuzzy I'm bumping by mutual consent. But I almost got killed over that once.

It is none of your business if I would rather hang with a bunch of poets in a mixed-race setting than with a bunch of white guys at a sports bar that emphasizes NASCAR or golfing events.

And I am not going to hire a crazy redneck to help me move when I know a strong and intelligent black guy who has served in the armed forces and gone home with a few medals.

You racist separaters can kiss my butt. You aren't even natural.

 

What about if a group of racial separatists want to form their own community, establishing it in a region where no one currently lives?
Do they have a right to keep out other races/ethnicities?

 

No. We have freedom to travel here. They have only the right to keep other people from entering their homes without authorization.

 

No. We have freedom to travel here. They have only the right to keep other people from entering their homes without authorization.

 

I think Israel has set up such places. Some countries do try this. Of course they lack equal rights which we see as a part of democracy.

http://www.amren.com/ar/1997/12/

I think when you look at freedoms or power, you need to look at power 'to do' rather than 'power over'. Then you need to look at whether your freedom to do interferes with another's freedom to do. If not it is generally acceptable.

 

But then what we get is attempted racial segregation through proxy.
All the people who do not want to be around minorities will work harder and spend more money to live in overpriced neighborhoods where the minorities are unable or unwilling to afford.

This is completely ridiculous. Racial segregation is still possible for many whites who earn enough money, but because of the whole "equal rights" thing, it just ends up costing them a wasteful ammount of money. I do not see how allocating a small portion of a town for sole use by a certain ethnicity - if they choose to live there - would hurt anyone.

As it is, it is not even possible for a racial separatist community to buy their own private property to keep others out, because of the invassive laws. If a group owns their own property they should be the ones who get to decide who is allowed to live there and who is not.

All too often, the diversity ends up creating a whole plethora of little problems, and then new laws have to be created to address these problems. These new laws are costly to enforce and irritating to everyone. Segregation would be easier and more practical. One of the telling signs of ethnic diversity is the creation of "homeowners associations" in the surrounding white areas. No one likes these associations, but all agree they are necessary to keep their neighborhoods from falling into "decay".

 

Don't you have majority white trailer-parks in America?

 

God. It should hurt to be a racist.

You only have that right on the property on which your house sits. There is no reason that any of the racist thugs should get to dictate what normal poeple across the street do.

Facts not in evidence.

If they want to be sociopaths, let them put up with the restrictions on what they can do with their property and tell them to leave everybody else alone. There is no benefit to society in catering for the snivelling sociopaths. It encourages other sociopathic behaviors.

 

i dont want to be stuck in a white only zone or run into no caucasians allowed areas i dont want other peapole trapped in similar bull (*)(*)(*)(*) regardles of how they look

 

Says everyone apart from a few morons!

 

If I were still single, I would not want some redneck getting upset if he noticed I had brought a black chick home with me.

 

I have a black mum and a white dad... where do I fit in?

 

You'll fit in real nice, and you have our mulatto pres to use as a tool to keep the entitlement goodies rolling in for all the miscegenated families out there.

 

OK, whatever.

But I mean in terms of segregation, would your plan keep me from my dad or what? Come on if your going to put an idea forward you're going to have to think about these things.

 

Nope, the 'PLAN' should be devised by you and your type of people. Why is it that we WHITES always have to figure out the best and safest means of living for you minorities and miscegenationists? I've already offered my solutions but evidently you didn't like them. You really do have 3 choices. Form your own little self governing ghettos if you will in any of our crime-infested decaying urban settings where most of your people already reside; secede from the nation by setting up your own province or territory with self government or deport yourselves back to your 3rd world mother nations (I would help with the travel expenses), just showing my kindness and love.

 

Nope, the 'PLAN' should be devised by you and your type of people. Why is it that we WHITES always have to figure out the best and safest means of living for you minorities and miscegenationists? I've already offered my solutions but evidently you didn't like them. You really do have 3 choices. Form your own little self governing ghettos if you will in any of our crime-infested decaying urban settings where most of your people already reside; secede from the nation by setting up your own province or territory with self government or deport yourselves back to your 3rd world mother nations (I would help with the travel expenses), just showing my kindness and love.