hitler didnt have a plan to exterminate the jews

Why do you think a link would prove anything?

 

It doesn't prove anything. Instead, Riseagainst posted page after page of cut and past neo-nazi propaganda, which I've seen all too many times before. The ability to hold on to a claim like this in the face of incontrovertable evidence, contrary to the public record of these events established at the Nuremburg trials, all the Jews, Christians, and Gypzies that survived the horrors and spend the rest of their lives regaling the world about the atrocities they endured and witnessed, and the heaps of evidence we found of mass executions is an example if invincible ignorance. There's a type of people to whom no amount of proof can dissuade them from their preconceived notions, who have a way of shooting down all articles of concrete proof and causing in their imaginations specious and unsustainable claims to hold sway against even the most incontrovertable evidence to the contrary.

Riseagainst is such a person. He not only hates Jews, but he hates my religion as well and has taken opportunity to revile my faith. All one needs is a burning hatred toward people and they can sustain a lie against the truth fueled by that hatred. This hatred toward Jews can only come from somebody who is utterly estranged from the love of God, who works to serve his true master, the devil. It's sad that this kind of bigotry is still being circulated in an attempt to radicalize young white men and get them sucked into the hate of the neo-nazi doctrine.

Riseagainst, you're no friend of mine.

 

People focus on the Jews because unlike most of the other groups Hitler committed genocide against, he quite literally nearly made the Jews extinct. To this day, seventy years later, they still haven't bounced back.

That kinda makes it a big deal.

 

The claim that Hitler did not plan on committing mas genocide against the Jewish people, and other whom he deemed undesirable, is incorrect.

Some early quotes of Hitler.

".. we have no intention of being emotional anti-Semites who want to create the atmosphere of a pogrom. Instead, our hearts are filled with an inexorable determination to attack the evil at its roots and to extirpate it root and branch. In order to reach our goal every means will be justified, even if we have to make a pact with the devil."

"It is the inexorable Jew who struggles for his domination over the nations. No nation can remove this hand from its throat except by the sword ... Such a process is and remains a bloody one."

"We are going to destroy the Jews ... The day of reckoning has come."

http://www.adolfhitler.dk/new_page_8.htm


The conspiracy theories that abound exonerating Hitler from being one of history's most notorious and murderous madman are utterly ridiculous. The man clearly orchestrated, encouraged, planned, and carried out the deaths of millions based on nothing more than what fuels the modern day racist or neo Nazi, unadulterated hatred based in ignorance and bigotry.

 

You're a seriously depraved human being, RiseAgainst, and I pity you.

 

The Germans were EXCELLENT record keepers.

They kept records of everything.

There is no evidence AT ALL, no written order from the Fuhrer, NOTHING, that indicated a policy of worldwide extermination of all Jews.

Deportation? Yes. Extermination as policy? No.

Actually, the six million Jews die narrative, is not the first time they have tried to use that, in history..

[video=youtube;ptDVpYw2suY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDVpYw2suY&feature=player_embedded[/video]

 

Yes.

If truth and accuracy in history matters.

 

What the hell is wrong with you lately, dude? Whoever you are making friends with...stop.

 

Looks like Jack Napier.

I've never seen someone have such a hardcore meltdown after their pick lost an election. Hell, our picks lost a heckuva lot more than his, and we didn't have a meltdown.

 

Except that there were no gas chambers with the purpose of being part of an extermination policy.

The gas chamber claim is the weakest one of all.

Look, try for once to think logically.

For one thing, read up on the transfer agreement. Germany wanted the Jews out of Eurpope, as they saw them as being a subversive force, who had undermined them, and most Jews were also Communists, the political enemy of the NS, and who can blame the Germans for seeing Communism as a threat, right?

For another thing, there was a World war going on, for years.

In order for anything like the gas chamber narrative to true, for the entire time, up to and during also the War, 3-4000 Jews would need to be gassed, every single day, 365 days a year, every year, without slowing down, or deviating.

And then you would be faced with the small matter of having to burn the same number of corpses.

Ever single day. For all those years.

 

Why?

He is asking valid questions, that must and should be asked.

Why should they not be asked or challenged?

 

Your logic falls apart in that it requires the story to be that all six million Jews Hitler killed were gassed, which is not true. They were gassed, shot, starved to death, experimented on, died of disease, died on marches, etc.

 

Stay on topic please, and refrain from personal attacks, if possible.

 

Oh please, cut the crap. You're one of the kings of personal attacks.

 

Never said Jews did not die.

Not by way of mass Zyclon B gassing. It would be one of the most stupid and time consuming methods, even if you did intend to use it for that purpose.

And it leaves very telling marks on bodies. Like blue stains. Massive blue stains.

Of course Jews would die, what else? There was a war on, people do die, and actually, if anything, the war v much made worse their conditions.

It lent itself to more prisoners, less supplies, etc.

Sure Jews would have died from disease and hunger even, in that context.

I am sure that during those years, Jews also died...of old age.

The chief witnesses to this were Red Army commies.

And Communism was far more brutal, oppressive, and took far more lives, than the demonised Germans.

The Red Army committed war crimes on a grand scale.

 

Hitler and his gang started immediatlely in 1933 to attack the german Jews. In 1935 racistic laws spoke for example about "Rassenschande" - social darwinism became daily politics during the so called "third empire" in Germany under Hitler. In the Wannseekonferenz (01/20/1942) the Holocaust became reorganized and reached in the following years gigantic dimensions. What's the reason for you to deny the Holocaust? Do you like to provocate because you are an idiot or forgot someone to shoot your grandparents down in World War 2, while lots of good guys had to die in concentration camps of the Nazis and in fights against the Nazis? What's going on in your brain?

http://youtu.be/XMuvOzbU-qU

 

It's hard to not attack someone when 99.9% of their posts are rants about how all Jews, regardless of who they are as individuals want to rule the world and destroy all that is good.

 

Oh, what were those gas chambers for?

Actually the strongest. They were erected and were still there when the work camps were liberated, full of forensic evidence of their purpose.

When did you become a neo-nazi bigot? I'll hold this against you forever.

I don't look at their intentions, I look at what they did. This is the kind of thing you cite as proof?

Jews were shot tied together over a bridge so that the dead ones would sink the living ones under water. They were expermimented on, hunted down by dogs, mowed down by machine gun fire in front of mass graves, killed by the thousands during death marches, and then many more died just from conditions in the work camps. You're argument is stupid on its face. The nazis used every method at their disposal to kill Jews.

bulldozers and mass graves. Say, did you just sleep through history class or did you neo-nazi dad already have you innoculated against all evidence when you went to school? You are one sick puppy and I never knew any of this about you. People sure can surprise ya.

 

Show me the order that specifically said that all Jews were to be exterminated, even during a war?

 

Well, Mr. Smart Guy, my great grandfather--although not a Jew--was shot in the head by a German when they invaded my country because the ear flaps on his hat made it so they didn't hear him when talking to them. These were not "nice people" by any stretch of the imagination. Now, whether the number is 10 or 6 million what they did was wrong. Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) now whether or not they had a plan to exterminate rather than displace? Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) if Jews were the primary beneficiary of their wrath. They did place people into groups. They did intend to move, use, and control large groups of people.

I could give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what their original or primary motivation was.

What I am concerned with is that out of nowhere RiseAgainst is suddenly asking questions about these fascists in a way that makes ME concerned about HIM because I think he's trouble right now. He doesn't need YOU telling him how to think on this subject. He needs to figure out what's going on and the direction of his life in such a way that he is not lock-stepped into some (*)(*)(*)(*)ing airtight bag.

 

Well, Mr. Smart Guy, my great grandfather--although not a Jew--was shot in the head by a German when they invaded my country because the ear flaps on his hat made it so they didn't hear him when talking to them. These were not "nice people" by any stretch of the imagination. Now, whether the number is 10 or 6 million what they did was wrong. Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) now whether or not they had a plan to exterminate rather than displace? Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) if Jews were the primary beneficiary of their wrath. They did place people into groups. They did intend to move, use, and control large groups of people.

I could give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what their original or primary motivation was.

What I am concerned with is that out of nowhere RiseAgainst is suddenly asking questions about these fascists in a way that makes ME concerned about HIM because I think he's in trouble right now. He doesn't need YOU telling him how to think on this subject. He needs to figure out what's going on and the direction of his life in such a way that he is not lock-stepped into some (*)(*)(*)(*)ing airtight bag.

 

I'm not sure where he gets the "If they used gas chanmbers it means they could not have used any other forms of execution at all, and since they did, gas chambers were not used" argument.

 

The neo-nazi revisionist doctrine is replete with lapses in logic. There's a sort of freedom and license experienced by those who aren'd moored to the truth and have no regard for it.

 

There was plenty of evidence, you simply choose to ignore and claim there is no proof. The gas chambers that were still intact when the Allies took the camps, the mass graves that were uncovered, It was pretty clear that the germans had been executing the prisoners in their concentration camps.

 

RA, what it comes down to is how Jews see themselves v non Jews. They consider themselves above us, and we are merely there, to be exploited, lied to, and even the best of us are to be murdered.

Because they begin from this position, esp the one that they are aside and apart from us, they perpetuate two myths, all of the time.

One is that Jews have always been innocent victims, all of the time, in every given situation, ever.

The chances of that are slim, to say the least.

And the other is that it is always everyone else (goy), who are evil, be they Christian, Arab, or whatever.

When you realise that, it all begins to make more sense.

That is why, for instance, when an absurd claim was made by a Jew, after WW2, it was usually accepted without queston, no matter how crazy that claim, no matter how obviously fictional. It was accepted, because, if a Jew claims it, then to that Jew, his claim is always real, and the allegation against the non Jew MUST be taken at face value.

However.

Note that if you make some just as horrific historcal (and documented) claims about Jewish actions, against non Jews, a strange thing occurs - they are automatically denied, and you are 'hateful' for having brought them up!!!

If you, as a gentile, wanted to speak about cases in the past of Jews having said to have poisoned drinking water, no no, that claim CANNOT be true, since you are a gentle, and they are a Jew, therefore, such a horror cannot be pinned on them by you.

Jack