hitler didnt have a plan to exterminate the jews

You know the rules. Only the defeated are tried for war crimes.

It's not necessarily moral, but it's pretty much inevitable.

 

By the standard of truth you set, nothing you claim can be established either. Anything can be fabricated, anything can be doctored, anything can be exaggeranted. You don't even possess the basic intelligence to see the lapses in logic throughout your methodology. To say that evidence never fails for you and always fails for me is an intolerable double standard that cannot withstand scrutiny.

 

It is also a known that, that when the Germans spoke of removal of Jewry from Europe, they used grandiose and flambouyant terminology, that has been taken to mean 'total exterimination by death'.

It did not mean that. It was always about deportation, not extermination.

It is rather like how the Zionist Jew media want to keep lying to you that the Iranian President wants to exterminate all Jews, and has designs to 'wipe Israel off the map'.

Those of us onto the game, we understand that he neither hates Jews, nor intends to exterminate them, and that there is a difference between a regime and a people.

 

That's right.

Esp if my claim is entirely anecdotal, if for instance, I told you I had a g/father than saw Jews being gassed, my claim would have no measurable value.

 

But whose rules are those, specifically?

They are not my rules.

And I suspect they would not be your rules either.

And we do not need accept those rules, do we?

 

Well if you read his book, then there is evidence. He goes into rather great depth about why he thinks they were burdening his newly adopted nation -- Deutschland.

He wrote 2 books actually, only the second one was only recently published.

Adolf had big plans for everything. Adolf did not even take a dump without a plan.

 

Well, actually, they would be my rules for the sake of preventing escalation.

We had the option of fighting the Soviets after WW2, but we opted out of that primarily because we were tired of war.

We were ready to move on as a society. If you spend time trying to settle scores after war, you'll never have peace. Inevitably, part of peace requires letting some things go.

I'm sure the Allies committed several things that could be considered war crimes as well.

 

Perhaps, that grandiose terminology was just them "talking (*)(*)(*)(*)", but when the reality of having to remove, feed, and house people proved to be financially and logistically inconvenient I'm sure they did what they "had to do".

Most criminals are the heroes of their own story. They think that it's "nothing personal" and "just business". It's expedient.

It is apathy and expedience that has the largest part in the stories of the world's greatest evils.

 

Yeah.

I am so glad we now have traitors ruling us, who also have big plans.

Mostly to steal our national wealth, and keep us in perpetual conflicts.

 

It would have been a success had Britian not delclared war,suppodely because poland was invaded.

It was invaded. But also by Russia.

 

Well in my eyes, something is either a war crime or not, in which case all should be fair game to be tried, or none.

 

Do you think I don't know this? Why do you think I speak Russian? Yes, I certainly get it that the Russians were our overlords for decades, but this thread is about the Nazis and their plans for the Jews.

 

That is surely the ideal, but then again, the ideal would be no war in the first place.

Unfortunately, the best that reality allows usually involves a compromise.

 

To go along with the bolded statement, there is little to no black and white in the world, but innumerable shades of gray. Can we concede that the Transfer Agreement happened? Yes. There is ample literature on the matter that is logically coherent and widely accepted in scholarly circles. However, can we downplay the sheer magnitude of the Holocaust? No. Those that attempt to do so, to their own detriment, are in fact pushing the scholarly community to come to a greater consensus on the matter through the increasing amount of complexity of the matter.

We can, for example, now state that the 'final solution' was a process that encompasses policies of mass killing beyond those formerly concocted. These rather informal policies were carried out by Nazi soldiers in Eastern Europe beginning in 1941, such as the killing of 500,000 Jews by firing squads. At the same time, we can conclude that work/concentration camps were already in place within Eastern Europe prior to the commencement of the Wannsee Conference, and that the formation of the plan to use gas chambers did not come to fruition until Hitler gave an order to Himmler on December 18, 1941 that the Jews are "to be exterminated like the partisans". The Wannsee Conference, henceforth, merely served as a meeting to elaborate upon this proclamation, leading to the plan to 'evacuate' or kill 11 million Jews in the work/concentration camps to the east, regardless as to whether they died at the hands of the gas chambers, starvation, disease, exhaustion, etc.

 

Yes. And I have addressed that, it was always about removal from Europe...by way of deportation.

And they did not simply wake up one morning, and decide it would be Jews, for no reasons at all, that they wanted out of Europe.

Unless people stop being (and I do not mean you), so overly emotive over this, so entrenched in the simplistic narrative, so refusing to believe that there are things such as context etc, that is when you learn nothing, and that is when historical cycles can repeat.

 

Well I will stick to my own ideal, it is more consistant.

No offence to the 'rule makers', but their rules suck.

 

If they were to be "deported".. they wouldn't have been put in concentration camps.

You are in left field on this one, Jack...

Have you read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? I suggest you do.

Hitler was an uneducated thug.. he was a vagrant.. Homeless on the streets of Vienna.. and he teamed up with rapists, bouncers, thieves and other thugs.

 

RA, people have been programmed to react to the buzzword holocaust, and, at the same time, all suffering that is not that, is reduced to footnote.

Let me try to explain it to you, another way.

The TRUTH does NOT need laws to ensure people stick to it. If the absolute truth is pure, and beyond reproach, then to even use the legal system is to draw suspicion to it, that it is not so true and pure, at all.

It is sad and ironc, RA, that if a European wanted to discuss this maturely, and in public, they would probably have to go to Iran or the US.

Everyone tut tut's at the book burnings, then cheers that today, in 'free Europe', men are thrown in prison, for writing and speaking.

Hurrah for freedom from the Nazi oppression of free speech, eh?

Instead we have Jewish oppression of free speech.

 

Jack would be correct that Hitler deported many Jews, sometimes with the help of Zionist groups and organizations. However, these policies came in the beginning of Nazi Party rule, with the Transfer Agreement occurring between 1933 and 1936.

 

You do not know. Neither do I. Neither of us met him. You only have a perception, just as one may do of S Arabia today, for example.

However, even if what you said was true, it makes it all the more strange that within the space of a few short years, the NA went from being a group that could fill a pub, to one that led, not by force btw, one of the finest nations in Europe, and one of the finest people.

I wonder where all the backing came from, to elevate them.

I wonder who else shared his vision to decant Jews from Europe....

 

Redeeming Hitler is a mistake.........

 

But the fact remains, if it was cental to my plans to exterminate ALL European Jews, I would never let them go anywhere. Ever. That would be stupid, since to then achieve my core plan, I would be letting them leave, only to later have to find them again..

 

Read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.. Hitler was a liar and a brilliant orator.. His first order of business was to get rid of the educated people who could call BS on his irrational lies ..

Decant is what you do to a bottle of wine. Check your vocabulary.

 

Podlesie=Podlesch belonged to Germany in those days. In 03/03/1921 voted 263 people to stay in Germany and 132 people voted for Poland. So we can say it was a mix in the population 2/3 Germans and 1/3 Polish. Oooops - I see now: Since 2007 they are using both languages in Podlesie again. A good sign.

A long time ago - fourth generation.

He went to the bran - someone called - and because he did not react he shot him down?

I guess it was the SS. The SS was often in the background of the regular army "fighting" against civilists and organising murder and/or massmurder.

http://youtu.be/z75DwIf2Tkw

 

And believing in a one dimensional view of a person or a situation is, as well.