hitler didnt have a plan to exterminate the jews

I do not know anyone that says 'nothing happened'.

 

Here's a few more from that website:



Dead prisoners of Mittelbau-Dora Concentration Camp on barracks floors as discovered by members of US 1st Army, Nordhausen, Germany, 11 Apr 1945.



US Senator Alben Barkley visiting Buchenwald Concentration Camp, Weimar, Germany, 24 Apr 1945.



Dwight Eisenhower and other officers inspecting the remains of a German attempt to destroy the remains of dead Jewish prisoners at Ohrdruf Concentration Camp, Thuringia, Germany, 12 Apr 1945.

In case you weren't aware of it, when Eisenhower discovered all of this, well long story short, he became so mad when those living near the camp claimed to be ignorant of what went on there that he ordered every man, woman, and child from nearby towns marched through the camp. Then he ordered them to bury the dead. He did this knowing that people would eventually become Holocaust deniers, and you can see this happening on this very website. Were Eisenhower alive today, I think he'd be quite angry at some posters here, to put it mildly.

 

Predictably, the holocaust religionists, are as dogmatic as any other, and never come to these threads wanting to take on something new, not unless that something new simply reaffirms their holocost religion.

Despite having covered every single point made, clearly, concisely, and with examples, context, and background, that is not what people really want, not the holocaust religionists.

For them, anything or one that dares even challenge the holocaust religion is a heretic, and wrong, of course.

For them, it does not actually matter even what the truth is, that has been admitted, on this very thread, and more than once.

For them, all that matters is that people believe it, all of it, and without question.

 

I'd ask him to explain this, morally...



Eisenhower's Death Camps
The Last Dirty Secret of World War Two

http://www.whale.to/b/bacque1.html

 

When I saw your attempt to deflect the question onto some other topic, I thought of this quote:

You've often asked people to stay on topic. Now it's your turn. We're discussing the plan to exterminate Jews and proof of said plan from reports, pictures, and the like, not what others involved did.

Again, refute Himmler's Posen Speeches of 1943:

 

I know.

We all know.

You have proven nothing, while I showed the origins of the 6 million thing, and how they had tried to use it, long before it stuck.

As well as 'survivors', that were talking a lot of drek.

 

Still trying to change the subject.

Did Hitler have a plan to exterminate the Jews? Yep. Himmler again:

Or the second Posen speech on October 6th, 1943:

As to the exact number he exterminated, well I think you may have discussed that on a number of other threads. None of which actually addresses the OP here. And I can well understand why you want to move the goalposts, nevertheless you are indeed trying to veer off-topic. Furthermore, you're being a bit disingenious with your arguments. "I see a bunch of clothing and dead bodies" I think pretty much everyone here KNOWS why it happened, but you're playing it a bit coy for reasons I won't bother guessing at.

There's plenty more survivors that say different. And those pictures I posted sure do speak a thousand words. At least.

 

Okay but you're still missing the point.

 

Does the point(sic) involve ignoring all else written on this thread, and defaulting back to a Spielberg narrative?

 

That say different what....stories to the last lot?

Or is it simply they make similar absurd claims, that also turn out to be drek, when considered with a rational mind, as per the first batch of lying 'survivors', as per 'The Last Days'..?

Is it a case of scoring them off as they get exposed, and moving on to the next lot that 'must be telling the truth. this time, definite'..?

 

I know the pictures ain't lying. I also know you haven't refuted Himmler's speeches, and I think we can consider him an expert on things Nazi. We even have recordings of him actually saying it.

The OP says there wasn't a plan. Himmler says otherwise. You're silent on that and are trying to divert the thread onto something to the effect of "Well, it wasn't six million who died, so the whole thing is a fraud." Sorry, but the actual number isn't the topic, the fact that there was a plan to do so is, along with quotes from the people in charge as well as photos of the aftermath proving that something did indeed happen. Anything else is simply a diversion from an ugly truth some people are afraid to admit.

 

I would imagine the post war, there would indeed be lots of pics of dead and hungry people.

A world war would do that.

 

Too many people take too simple a narrative, at absolute face value, and airbrush all other very key factors out, when it comes to discussions on this, in order to maintain, in the end, that the 'official narrative', of six million Jews having been exterminated, on purpose, or whatever figure is being kicked around, at the time.

It becomes like the threads when atheists speaks with monotheists, it gets dull and circular, because no matter what, you are never going to make the monotheist see the sheer absurdity of many of their fables and claims. But lest you dare, then you invite a hostile response, and why..? Because, you are encroaching on THEIR rigid worldview. And it makes them uneasy.

There would be no way for me to convince a religous Muslim, that the idea of a magical flying horse, is absurd, and I may even provoke anger in a Muslim for suggesting the claim is clearly fictional, and it is the same with this subject.

Just a couple of weeks ago, and this is despite Simon Weisenthal himsellf saying no that gas chambers were used to kill Jews on German soil, we had someone claiming, no no no, that is not true, because 'they had been in one there'.

You cannot do anything with someone like that, they are going to cling to that, no matter what.

A couple of months ago, despite no one in the World having done so, we had another member here claim he had seen Eli Wiesels tattoo, and EW had SHOWN HIM it, at a book signing....

Can you excuse my cynicism...

 

And so many of them which weren't soldiers happened to be in concentration camps, placed there by Nazi officials who were, of course, only following orders.

Jack, I gotta tell you. that's a pretty disingenuous answer you just posted. And again, attempting to veer off-topic. I think it's a given at this point that you simply do not wish to address the Himmler quotes. And I can well understand why. Nevertheless, Hitler had a plan to exterminate the Jews. That you or anyone else wants to obfuscate this fact doesn't change the truth of it at all. But you don't have a good answer so I'm not gonna force you to make up a bad one.

 

Were people interned? Of course they were.

Were those people made to work for the war effort, a war which Hitler did NOT want btw? Of course they did.

Did Germany wish to relocate Jews out of Europe? Of course they did.

Did a small party with almost no apparent means, just magically and so happen to be the one party, that would make Hertzls vision a reality? Of course not, it never happens that way.

Did Zionist Jews (fringe then), share the same goal, the removal of Jews from Europe, and relocated, somewhere else? Of course they did.

Has the six million Jews killed, starved, in danger narrative been tried before? Yes, and it was not true then!

Were the Nuremberg War trials conducted in a manner which could be called fair and just? Hardly.

Were the supposed ethics of war crimes trials sincere? Of course not, else they would have been applied consistantly, and to the Red Army esp.

 

Here are a couple more thing to consider, esp if you live in the US, and just emotionally face facts.

For all that you wish to paint a sort of cartoon evil narrative of Hitler and the Reich, there is an expression, and I paraphrase, about looking at the boulder in your own eye, before looking at something or anything, in that of another.

Therefore, please, do not shake your first at the conveniant bogeyman, for your two mins of hate, as if somehow you have not, down the decades, voted for successive Gov's, who actions, one way or another, have led to the deaths of as many innocent people, as even your top end 'innocent holocaust victims'.

And yeah, you can roll out the ready sealed caveats and excuses that somehow make the murder of Iraqi's and their utter debasement, less than doing the same thing, were it Jews..

At least, if you really want to be a moral person, be consistant, and find both just as wrong, but accept that one is past and gone, and the other is still v much here, and going on killing more innocent people...

Then people roll out 'Nazi science', usually without really having read up on it, and always without grasping, once again, that the US themselves have probably carried out more secret and often horrific experiments on American people, as the so called Nazi scientists ever did.

And we only know about those that they have done, not those that may still be doing...

 

"Did Hitler have a plan to exterminate the Jews?"

"The Red Army didn't get what was coming to them during Nuremberg!"

Yeah, we're on-topic now.

 

Translation: Deflect, deflect, deflect.

 

Read previous posts, I have already addressed this, in full.

 

Refuse to accept your Gov's are no differnent in practice, cognative dissonance, hypocrisy of morals...

 

Visit the website of "David Irving" or google "revisionism" for current research.

 

Let me look at the OP once more: "Hitler didn't have a plan to exterminate the Jews". Not seeing anything in there about the US, Iraq, the Russian Army, Star Trek, Twinkees, George Clooney, The Fantastic Four, or the mating practices of the Cape Elephant Shrew. So yeah, anything that discusses the aforementioned topics is most likely a deflection.

 

Anyway, to the OP (RA), here are some more points to ponder, in your pathway of truth seeking..

During World War II as many as 150,000 Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), served in the German armed forces, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals. Among them were Field Marshal Erhard Milch and Helmut Wilberg, one of the fathers of the blitzkrieg method of warfare that helped Hitler conquer most of Europe.

Quite odd right, what with Hitler wanting to exterminate Der Juden, and all, right?

Now someone wil invent a 'reason'..

The little known Rakovsky interrogation . Both Hitler and his archrival for European hegemony, Communist dictator Joseph Stalin, contended with, but were also funded and manipulated by, the same secret forces in international banking circles.

Jewish police help round up everyday Jews, and hand them over to the Nazis so they can be confined in concentration camps.

Who was William Patrick Hitler, and why did the Fuhrer, Adolf Hitler, pay him off to quit talking about the family background?

Adolf Eichmann spoke Yiddish and visited the Zionists in Palestine many times. Eichmann, with Hitler's approval, set up training camps in German occupied territory where the Irgun, or Israeli storm troopers, were trained in anticipation of the takeover of Palestine, which happened in 1948, three years after World War II. (By the way, why was Eichmann kept in a sound proof cage during his 1961 trial in Israel?)

Some leading Zionists in Europe and America, such as Rabbi Stephen Wise, had the opportunity to negotiate the release of many Jews from the Nazi concentration camps near the end of World War II, but refused to do so. Why?

[video=youtube;AJ5MeQnmLo0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJ5MeQnmLo0[/video]

 

Yes, smart guy, I know what the question posed is.

I've addressed it.

Ta ta

 

Hitler was working with a hidden plan to wipe out both Sephardic so called Jews and Germans.

1. Hitler was financed by the key anti-German banking and industrial interests who also hated the Sephardics.
2. Disarmed the German people, and marshalled most of them into a war economy;
3. Conned the German military establishment into invading Russia;
4. Established special units to cruely mistreat Russians so as to turn Russians to Stalin - they had been surrending en-mass;
5. He announded his desire to destroy Lenningrad (St. Peter'sburg) to antagonize Russia against Germany;
6. His orders got the German army at Lenningrad trapped and eliminated;
7. Ordered a savage attack on Stalingrad that furthre alienated Russians, and then got the German army there trapped, whose commander was given a nice apartment in Moscow;
8. Attacked British civilians instead of destroying British air defense units;
9. Refused to launch V2 rockets against British invasion embarkation sites;
10. Dismantled long range artillery at British invasion points that could have sunk British invasion ships;
11. Kept crucial forces from smashing initial British/US invasion forces;
12. Flooded Berlin subway tunnels in which much of the city's civilian population had take shelter from bombs;
13. Ordered all German civilian support infrastructure destroyed. (Countermanded by Albert Speer)