Another reason I didn't want Obama elected.

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  1. Craftsman

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    And does the tax cuts and two wars not paid for have anything to do with that debt? Or does republican spending just not count?
     
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    jackson33 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Historically "tax cuts" have stimulated economies (not just in the US), simply because they allow more activity from those that paid them. Lower income folks, have more to spend and the higher income folks have more to invest. This said, I'm not understanding what years of the actual Bush43 cuts, you feel damaged the economy. Certainly by any comparison to the past four years have been much worse, than Bush's first four years.

    As for this often used "unpaid for", you do realize that's another term for adding to the National Debt and Bush isn't even in the same ball park, Obama adding 5T$ in four years. The problem here then, is that debt has to be serviced and that cost by 2016, is going to be a trillion dollars year alone, which will have to come from the activity/investments mentioned above.
     
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    They did not rule that at all.
     
  4. Ethereal

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    Your understanding is incorrect. They did not rule that a "corporation" was a person; they merely affirmed the obvious by upholding the rights of each individual in a corporation to engage in political speech.
     
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    America will keep losing, too.
     
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    It wouldn't be a second bill of "rights", but a bill of entitlements and freebies, which is why you support it.
     
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    Liberals will destroy America, everything good about it. They certainly don't like the Constitution...as they seek to dismantle, change it. I personally think Liberals are the most intolerant people on earth. They believe that there is one set of rules for you and another set for everyone else. I can't remember who said this but it is so true. Want to make liberals angry? Defend the Unites States. They could care less if we were attacked. For them there is no reason ever to fight a war....WAIT!!!!.....unless its against someone who believes in God. Then they are like Vampires who see light...they panic, they attack with impotent rage.

    I am sick of the name calling the intolerance coming from their side. Bottom line....Liberals stand for the godless rule of dictators. And that is what our Supreme Court is. They want approval from all those who hate the United States and who want to harm us.

    Teddy Kennedy....one of the most famous of all liberals...and a Democrat. Comes from a liberal family of drunks, bootleggers, cheaters, heroin addicts, statutory rapists, convicted killers. What do some call this? Camelot He was the poster boy for the Libs. He made Clinton look like Mother Teresa.

    And the liberal media bashed Bush for drunk driving, one single DUI charge.
     
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    You should ask. Especially if they are using dues money to donate to political candidates/causes.

    My unions bylaws prohibit spending any dues money on political donations of any type. Instead we have a voluntary PAC which members may contribute to if they so choose. They also have a say in where the monies go as well.
     
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    That has been more than proven to be false.
    All the bush the failures year were bad, every one of them.
    The only reason you can make the claim that the last 4 years have been bad is becasue of bush the failure.
    The last 4 years however have been getting better, a fact that you know.

    You do know that President Obama took all the unpaid for debt of bush the failure and put it on the books, someone has to be honest and sure isn't going to be the republicans.
    Look at how you now credit Obama with bush the failures debt!

    So I ask again, does republican spending count? Or is it OK with you to just not put it on the books?
     
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    Just stop it.
     
  11. Craftsman

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    Yes they did.
    You must be a fox watcher.
     
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    Wow, just wow.
     
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    I voted for Obama largely because I trusted his choices in Supreme Court Justice appointments more than Romney's.

    Simple as that.
     
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    Not really, but it has been argued and I'll assume you argue in favor of Keynesian Economics. Central control with in a Capitalist Society has never worked, if under Communism or Socialist controlled economies failure is slower.

    I'd agree "No child left behind", "Prescription Drug Act" and other Bush Domestic Policy were costly errors, but certainly not the "War on Terror" or in fact any foreign policy, but by no means totaled what has been added to the debt since 2009. If we were working off annual budget figures, it would be easy to argue, but we don't have any.


    Nonsense, nothing was done, two wars or whatever that wasn't in some manner paid for and on the books as Debt. Much debt is carried by the various government departments, but none of which was later added to this administration record.

    YES they count too; The ND Jan. 2009 was 10.4T$ and accumulated over our history under 43 Presidents. Today, it stands at 16.3T$ and estimated and under Obama's own budgets, none have passed the Congress, will be over 20T$ in 2016. Are you suggesting the end of America and Obama or his Administration, as we were told, simply couldn't cut the annual debt in half, actual then raising it by 33%....EVERY YEAR!


    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm
     
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    If you think all of Bush's years were failures, then you should be bright enough to realize the Democrats, along with Republicans were a big part of that failure. Much of it had to do with what Congress did before and after Bush came into office.
     
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    Very interesting and my guess why your concerned. Possibly you think California and/or the Ninth Circuit are reflective of the rest of us, but something tells me the facts don't support your opinion.




    http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/30/politics/court-obama-list/index.html
     
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    The actions of the 9th Circuit Court is one good reason not to vote for Obama. We sure don't need any Liberal judges like that on the Federal or US Supreme Court. Every time you look they are being over ruled.
     
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    'rest of us' being those of you who are concerned solely with potential Justices race?
     
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    yet the voters did vote for Obama and Obama was the one elected.
     
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    Of course, I have always said that conservatism is the biggest problem we face. They have ruined the country and some Democrats have believed their lies and voted with them.
    The question remains, why do you continue to support what everyone knows is bad for your country?
     
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    Over ruled by ultra conservative judges appointed by hard core republican failures.
    The supreme court is now a joke because of the conservatives that sit on it.
    No one with a lick of sense can disagree with that.
     
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    Of course they are. Corporations are a group of people serving their own interests. Unions are people too. So are bands. Are you going to tell me that armies aren't people?
     
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    Wtf are you talking about? Hard core right wing? I can name liberal.SC justices named by those "hard core right wing" presidenrs, can you name any conservative SC justices nominated by liberal Presidents?
     

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