Part IV Post your tough Questions on Christianity

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  1. PrometheusBound

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    A PhD doesn't earn a living until he is 30 years old. Such a pathetic geek freak is worth a lot of chuckles. In college, he lived like a child, so he winds up with the mind of a child, especially with his drooling obsession with his scientific fetish. Scientists are Mamas' Boys desperate for attention, so your explanation has credibility. They have so little personal character worth identifying with that being left-handed would be a fit reason for self-identity in their case.
     
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    And he is lazy and irresponsible in not learning our language better. As long as he believes faith alone makes him a worthwhile person, he feels he doesn't have to actually behave like one.
     
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    Ive already explained in part 3 it was a different question "same topic". I am not explaining it again. If you dont understand I cant help with that.
    Basically your anwer is you dont know and neither do the people who wrote the bible.
    Its ok to say you dont know. Its better than answering Yes God created dinosaurs then in another post saying he didnt. You still havent explained why you changed your position on that.
    As far as a year. A year is a year no matter if you are God, a dinosaur or a human. It is the length of time the earth takes to complete an orbit around the sun. As a fact that happened millions and millions of times before "creationist theory" says the earth was actually created.
     
  4. WanRen

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    What ever the thief thought about Jesus or the debate about Jesus why he was crucified is of another issue, the bottom line here is that the thief is resign to his fate to die a terrible slow death by crucifixion and at the same time he found some solace that at least one man comforted him in his hour of death he also recognize that Jesus was innocent of all the crimes and that was Jesus was crucified because of blasphemy in other words Jesus is the Son of God and Jesus comforted the thief with this words; 43And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”

    There is nothing ridiculous about this because that is the truth and no sacrilegious about that either and that is another sign of faith coming from the thief.
     
  5. Incorporeal

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    A day unto the Lord is as a thousand years to man. Interesting thought. Anyway... speaking of those 7 days mentioned in Genesis, did you realize that day 7 has not arrived yet? That's right. God is still creating.... creating newer galaxies, newer species of living things, creating new land masses, creating new members of the population. Of course that list goes on to cover all things that I failed to mention. No where in the Bible does it indicate that God ever took that rest.

    Question: Are new stars being formed? Are new species being found? Does new land masses still rise up out of the oceans? Are people still being born having the breath of life? Well of course they are.

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    Genesis Chapter 2: The Creation of Eve
    The Creation of Eve
    Genesis 2

    1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

    2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

    3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."

    See that little distinction between 'created' and 'made'. Think about it. He is still making.
     
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    Frankly I do not know what you are talking about.

    I do see a bunch of unqualified assumptions. Perhaps you might clarify a little?

    1) define what you mean by pervert
    2) state why you feel this perversion is a harmful difference

    Once this is defined we can look at whether or not it is significantly harmful enough to disqualify equal rights on this basis.
     
  7. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    If everything will be written in all its specificity in full details the Bible will be thousands and thousand of volumes that include the secrets of the universe, cell phones, how to make nuclear weapons, ships, everything etc. men need not have to think and do anything everything will be there and this would mean giving man servants as well to assist them to operate all types of equipments. That is why God created men in His own image so that men can learn and evolve to be creative and worship Him from their own free will.

    Atonement of sins have been around since God created Adam and Eve. The Pharisees wanting to protect their power had Jesus crucified. Christianity never blames the Jews it was men who blame the Jews for almost everything. Jesus Christ enlighten the world about universality that all are created equal he introduce Catholicism to the world and the Catholic church continue that succession.
     
  8. GraspingforPeace

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    What about the distinction? Both "created" and "made" are past tense. How do you turn "made" into "will make"?
     
  9. dairyair

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    He has posted many times 1 thing and then several posts later something different. His bad use of language coupled with backtracking and not really knowing an answer and pretending to know it make it hard to follow his points.
     
  10. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Jesus Christ and all his Apostles and the 1st-2nd generation Catholics did not gain any $$$ they all gave everything up including facing terrible deaths all for Christ. Thousand of Catholics continue that investment without gaining any $ only loosing their lives and all earthly possession.

    At the same time this world is all about $ and cents.
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    Jesus will never be pissed on you even though you do not believe in him. Uhm, interesting so now you are saying Christianity is me??? wow, now let us be clear I am no god but I can understand why you can not keep up so revert to personal attack, I can handle that to just make sure you don't run to your.........I stop there you know what I mean :)

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    Because you don't believe in God that is the problem, I am not the problem here you and your friends who want and all Christians to deny our faith and most of all our God. Until you and your buddies can accept the truth that God exist and the Bible is Truth you and your friends will always be lost and confuse never find any calmness always stress and pressure.

    I have already successfully establish the following:
    1. Noah's flood did happen
    2. Human did not evolve from apes
    3. Crusades was the result of Muslim aggression
    4. Dinosaurs disappeared from the face of this earth from a great battle between the bad angels and the good angels
    5. All humans are created equal
    6. Science and Christianity work hand in hand not against each other (anti Christian wants to create friction between science and Christianity) (this goes back to Galileo I'll discuss that later one of the most distorted story that anti-Catholics have been using against the church)
    7. Exodus did happen
    8. What else??? and many more.
     
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    LOL. I've never wanted, asked, tried, persuaded, nothing at all to deny your faith.
    We've asked questions. You've given different answers to the same question. I even said if you don't know, just say so. But you said you could never do that. So you google something and post the very 1st thing you come across. The sometime later when further clarification is needed you post something completely different not remembering you already stated something different. IE, when was moses born, die, and exodus occurred. It took several days to get 2 different answers and I'm guessing you still don't know.
    I'm guessing there may be some that would like to accept it, but contradicting answers given in these threads make it difficult.
     
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    Yeah right......ROFL!

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    But he loves you anyway:

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    Hmmm...

    Th concept of swallowing the bitter pill and admitting you were wrong was ritualized in this rite of Atonement.

    The big moment is yet to come.
    The expected result will be that the Jews will "get off the hook" but change their minds and behavior forever after.

    The Christian atonement is a good example to look at in regard to what happen with Civil Rights in Christian America.

    The dominant white churches ignored rev King and refused to accept the Truth, even though their Christ said he, himslf, personified Truth in its essence.
    Atonement came when King was sacrificed on the altar of Truth.

    But then they all changed forever.
     
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    The Exodus didn't happen, a worldwide flood didn't happen, and dinosaurs died off from a battle between angels? Wtf... You've established none of these as occurring in reality.
     
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    Do you honestly think you have made credible arguments that would hold up anywhere other than your own mind for any of these assertions?
    This is a comical post.
    Why don't you respond to my post about the Woman at the Well not being a part of the oldest manuscripts we have available?
    You don't even have the usual conservative Christian suspects in here supporting your embarrassing arguments.
    Why do you think you alone have had the "truth" revealed to you?
     
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    It amended the old sex crimes punishable with death by stoning. And the Cannon Laws further amended it to consider the circumstances of sex crimes. [/quote]

    thank you for pointing this out to me. I did some research, and am amazed at how the interpretation of what jesus said has been applied to all of the old testament laws with the exception of most of the ten commandments. Which I guess explains why craven idols of jesus and mary are okay by catholic reasoning, because he doen'st mention that in the list of "thing I said unto you".

    Amazing that he aboloshes all of those laws, without actually abollshing them.


    As for slavery, he did not denounce slavery. Slavery is an accepted practice in the bible and there is no admonition against it. So it seems god was okay with men treating other men, women and children as property. Only a very slight contradiction in the god of love's world view.


    Without faith, morality remains a set of principles of behaviour towards others. If people believe only their faith prevents them from reverting into a gang of thieving, raping, murdering deviants, then they are morally weak. They feel they NEED to believe in order to be moral. .

    It is absurd to think that faith is somehow the generator of morals. It is not, faith is merely acceptance of the dogma of the religion in which the believer invests their faith.

    Without faith, people set the rules and collectively agree on what is morally acceptable or not. do you think a community of atheists would suggest that raping a child is morally acceptable? that conning an old woman out of her savings is morally acceptable?

    That you consider your morals are recieved knowledge and you are commanded to obey them and do so because of fear you will spend all of you noncorporeal afterlife (eternity) burning in hell, doesn't seem very moral to me. Especially with the "get out of hell free card" that all christians can pick up before their expiry date.

    Apparantly God couldn't trust his creations to actually accept his word, he had to threaten enternal misery and torment if we didn't. Yeah I beleive that is called by us moral people EXTORTION.

    Its like the attitude of religious people about homosexuality.

    Seems god blesses straight pious couples by giving them gay kids.

    He has created a system where he supplies his faithful a never ending number of immoral sinners for them to hate or worse pity.
     
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    thank you for pointing this out to me. I did some research, and am amazed at how the interpretation of what jesus said has been applied to all of the old testament laws with the exception of most of the ten commandments. Which I guess explains why craven idols of jesus and mary are okay by catholic reasoning, because he doen'st mention that in the list of "thing I said unto you".

    Amazing that he aboloshes all of those laws, without actually abollshing them.


    As for slavery, he did not denounce slavery. Slavery is an accepted practice in the bible and there is no admonition against it. So it seems god was okay with men treating other men, women and children as property. Only a very slight contradiction in the god of love's world view.




    Without faith, morality remains a set of principles of behaviour towards others. If people believe only their faith prevents them from reverting into a gang of thieving, raping, murdering deviants, then they are morally weak. They feel they NEED to believe in order to be moral. .

    It is absurd to think that faith is somehow the generator of morals. It is not, faith is merely acceptance of the dogma of the religion in which the believer invests their faith.

    Without faith, people set the rules and collectively agree on what is morally acceptable or not. do you think a community of atheists would suggest that raping a child is morally acceptable? that conning an old woman out of her savings is morally acceptable?

    That you consider your morals are recieved knowledge and you are commanded to obey them and do so because of fear you will spend all of you noncorporeal afterlife (eternity) burning in hell, doesn't seem very moral to me. Especially with the "get out of hell free card" that all christians can pick up before their expiry date.

    Apparantly God couldn't trust his creations to actually accept his word, he had to threaten enternal misery and torment if we didn't. Yeah I beleive that is called by us moral people EXTORTION.

    Its like the attitude of religious people about homosexuality.

    Seems god blesses straight pious couples by giving them gay kids.

    He has created a system where he supplies his faithful a never ending number of immoral sinners for them to hate or worse pity.[/QUOTE]

    The ones I pity are the ones with this kind of attitude......it should be immoral to be religious. Ooooops! I forgot it is. It's spelled HYPOCRITE!
     
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    Obviously that category is not a label that reflects your character.... you never have been a christian or Christian. You have only been a wolf in sheeps clothing.
     
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    Rested is past tense. It means it already happened or is the Bible is incorrectly written? That would be strange since its writers were supposedly directly linked to god. But anyways, when you say new life if being created do you mean on Earth or elsewhere in the Universe as well?
     
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    Exactly like when he said God didnt create the Dinoasaurs then in part 4 he said God did in fact create the Dinosaurs. Its all there I even summarized the posts for all to see. This is the same thing that happened to me when I was forced to attend Sunday School. One guy tells you one thing, another tells you the opposite and if you press anyone of the cloth to actually answer questions they get angry with you. When someone gets angry with you for asking a cogent question as it pertains to their supposed expertise, it means they dont have an answer and a normal human reaction in that situation would be anger as they want to point the attention away from their ignorance. You then react to anger with anger and the actual attention of the question not being answered is mis-directed. You can go back and read the posts and you can clearly see the pattern. In many cases they even lie and post you said things that were never said.
    The only people that need to do this are people whos argument doesnt hold water.
     
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    Uhm, yes it took me several days to respond to your inquiries because I don't do this as a full time, I spend time here only when there is spare time my priorities are my life first then this forum in fact I had to spend time in meditation and prayers that the Holy Spirit may guide me accordingly so that I may respond to all the questions here that have a strong anti Christian flavour with wisdom, serenity and peace.

    So you don't like my Moses and Exodus answers, well that is to bad it is a better answer than what you have presented which I believe you don't believe a man name Moses existed, right? And you don't believe the Biblical exodus ever happened either, right? Well, I totally disagree with you and have presented to you my answer in fact I have provided you a link in regards to what Biblical scholars calculated when was Moses born instead of reading the link you cherry pick the year 2488 BCE that Moses died and the year 2368 his birth you forgot to read the word "from Creation" from the link I provided you but you either intentionally or mistakenly ignore that 2488 or 2368 follow with the words "from Creation = 1400 BCE" ;
    Moses was born on 7 Adar in the year 2368 from Creation (circa 1400 BCE)

    And now you insist that I am guessing? or is it you who is guessing that I may not be able to answer you question.
    http://www.jewfaq.org/moshe.htm

    So that Moses question has been answer the answer is according to RESEARCHERS because the Bible did not mention when Moses was born or died except that he live for 120 years. Researchers calculated Moses time through archaeological research. What you want an answer is the exact dates that is mention in the Bible you don't want any answers outside of the Bible, well that is not how Christian scientist work that is why there is no conflict between science and Bible we work hand in hand to reach the common goal while anti-Christians work to cut and put a wedge between Christians and science.

    There is no contradicting answers from me only hard line anti Christians who only want one answer and that is we Christian should deny our God. That my friend will not happen maybe to other Christians but not me.
     
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    Are you denying that stars are still being formed at this time in history? Are you denying that new species are being found? Are you denying that islands are still rising up out of the sea every once in a while? If you are denying all those things, then you could say that God rested.... but you saying that does not make it a fact.... I still hear once in a while about a new island, a new species, a new star, etc. And every time I hear of one of these new things, I am reminded that God is still creating.
     
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    Is it impossible for religious fanatics to answer simple questions? I asked you a very simple question. You ignored it. Is this refusal to answer questions taught somewhere to you all or is it a form of brainwashing or something?
    Of course I dont deny new stars are forming. Stars are made as a pure fact from Hydrogen, Gravity, and Time. Islands are made from earths crust moving. All explained easily with proven science. Clearly you ignored the fact that the bible states "rested" again past tense. Your opinion is in disagreement with the bible. Dont you wonder why that is?

    Ill try one more time to ask. When you said God is creating, is he creating new life elsewhere other than on the Earth? Its a simple Yes or no.
     
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