The Brothers Tsarnaev: The Lee Harvey Oswalds of the Boston bombings?

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  1. Jack Napier

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    A speaker of Russian, he traveled to Russia and back on ultra-sensitive missions – supposedly without any spy services noticing. Yet it turns out that he was followed for years by the FBI! Framed for a murderous crime on a crowded street, exonerated by crime scene photographs, declared innocent by loved ones and by all who knew him, caught by police after being framed for “murdering a police officer,” gunned down by agents of the National Security State after his arrest to prevent him from proclaiming his innocence in court…haven’t we heard this story before? Are we talking about Lee Harvey Oswald – or the Brothers Tsarnaev?

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    Fifty years ago, Lee Harvey Oswald was framed for the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

    Today, the same National Security State that killed JFK still rules America, using the same tools of murder and deception. And it appears to have set up two “Oswalds” – Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev – to take the blame for the Boston Marathon bombings.

    The parallels between Oswald and the brothers Tsarnaev are uncanny.

    First parallel: All three have been exonerated by crime scene photographs.

    Eyewitness testimony established that Oswald must have been on or near the ground floor of the Texas Book Depository – not the sixth floor “sniper’s nest” – when JFK was shot. This testimony is supported by a picture of Oswald standing in the street outside the Depository as the presidential motorcade goes by.

    Expert photographic analysis has revealed that the figure in this picture is Oswald, not Lovelady, as JFK assassination expert Dr. James Fetzer explains in his article “JFK Special: Oswald was in the Doorway, after all!“

    The photographic record of the JFK assassination, like that of the Boston bombings, not only exonerates the patsy, but reveals who really committed the crime.

    Photographic evidence places Edward Lansdale, America’s top political assassinations specialist, and CIA agent and future president George H.W. Bush standing in front of the Texas School Book Depository running the JFK assassination. This evidence is discussed in the article “Did George H.W. Bush Coordinate a CIA Hit Team?” by Richard Hooke and James Fetzer.

    Photographs of the Boston bombing similarly exonerate Dzokhar Tsarnaev, who is seen in this photograph leaving after the bombing with his backpack still on. (See link).

    If Dzokhar Tsarnaev was framed, that means that his brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was also framed.

    Crime scene photographs show us who really planted the bombs. The bomber was a member of a paramilitary operative team wearing black caps with identical skull logos. The photo below shows the bomber fleeing the crime scene without his backpack. That backpack has a white square on top. The paramilitary bomber is the only person in any of the photos with a backpack featuring that white square.


    So the Brothers Tsarnaev, like Lee Harvey Oswald, are innocent patsies. But Oswald, unlike the Brothers Tsarnaev, was able to speak for himself. After his arrest, and before being gunned down in the Dallas Police Department basement by CIA-linked mob hit-man Jack Ruby, Oswald said: “I’m a patsy.”

    The Brothers Tsarnaev may never be allowed to speak in their own defense; fifty years after Oswald’s “I’m a patsy,” the National Security State appears to have learned that lesson well. Indeed, the Israeli doctors tasked with treating Dzokhar Tsarnaev in the hospital reported that “he may never speak again.” (Why were Israeli doctors assigned an American national security case? Perhaps for the same reason that an Israeli team of terror specialists flew to Boston, on a trip organized before the bombing, to take charge of the “investigation.” After all, Israel is the global “A Team” of false-flag terrorism.):blankstare:

    Dzokhar Tsarnaev did speak out, in a way, in his own defense – by endorsing 9/11 truth before he was framed for the bombing. Using his Twitter account, he wrote: “Idk why it’s hard for many of you to accept that 9/11 was an inside job.” That tweet, like Oswald’s “I’m a patsy,” may go down in history. It strongly suggests Dzokhar’s innocence. (Why would any Muslim who knew 9/11 was an inside job – as 80% of Muslims do, according to polls – want to commit terrorism whose only beneficiaries are Zionists and imperialists?)

    Though the Brothers Tsarnaev will not be allowed to defend themselves, their loved ones are doing it for them. Their mother, father, and aunt all say they are innocent patsies, framed by agents of the National Security state.

    Oswald’s girlfriend, Judith Vary Baker, has similarly exonerated Oswald. Listen to my interview with Judith Vary Baker at

    http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Truth-Jihad-32k-111412.mp3

    Another Tsarnaev-Oswald parallel: They were Russian speakers who were shadowed for years by the FBI before being framed for a spectacular crime.

    Oswald was not only shadowed by the FBI, he was actually reporting to the FBI on a regular basis during the years between his return from Russia in 1961 and his murder on November 24th, 1963.

    Tamerlan Tsarnaev, his parents tell us, was shadowed for years by the FBI before being set up as the patsy in the Boston Marathon bombings.

    The FBI, we may recall, is the agency developed by arch-criminal J.Edgar Hoover as America’s gestapo. Though most low-level FBI agents are honest, the higher-ups are psychopathic criminals – mobsters with badges.

    The FBI organized the plot and built the bomb that devastated the World Trade Center in 1993. FBI informant Emad Salem, who hatched the plot and delivered the bomb as part of his FBI duties, secretly recorded a conversation with his FBI handler protesting about how the FBI delivered a real bomb, not a dummy bomb as promised.

    It is well known, even among mainstream scholars, that the FBI has organized virtually every “Muslim terrorist” incident of the past decade. As Judge Napolitano admitted on Fox TV, the FBI has been involved in at least 17 false-flag plots to attack America since 9/11.

    Another uncanny parallel between Lee Harvey Oswald and Tamerlan Tsarnaev is that both were earmarked “enemies” (Tsarnaev a “radical Muslim,” Oswald a “communist”) who traveled to Russia on mysterious errands – and both, according to official pronouncements, managed to pass completely undetected by the national security apparatus of both nations! In reality, both were being run by US federal agencies – Oswald to feed top secret U2 data to the Russians to make the fake U2 shootdown plausible and destroy Eisenhower’s detente; and Tsarnaev to interface with CIA-Mossad assets in the “Chechen al-Qaeda community.”

    “Al-Qaeda-linked radical Muslims” in Chechnya are allies, not enemies, of the US. Their “terrorism” is entirely directed at Russia, and they are armed, trained, and sent on their missions by the US government. As I wrote in a recent article, the correct translation of “al-Qaeda” is “The CIA Database.”

    So if Dzokhar Tsarnaev was a terrorist – which seems unlikely – he was part of a group controlled by US government agencies. But it seems much more probable that Tsarnaev was an Oswald-style patsy: A pawn on the grand chessboard who was deemed expendable, arrested, and then murdered to keep him from talking.


    Like Oswald, who was murdered in the Dallas police station while in custody, it appears that both Tsarnaev brothers were in perfectly good health when they were arrested – and then were shot after their arrests. Dzokhar Tsarnaev’s aunt has positively identified Dzokhar as the “naked man” arrested by Boston police, uninjured and in perfectly good health. And helicopter videos show Dzhokhar Tsarnaev looking healthy and uninjured as he climbs out of the boat he was hiding in. (The government says he was critically wounded – but look at the images yourself and decide.)

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/0...he-lee-harvey-oswalds-of-the-boston-bombings/

    Yeah.

    Here are the counter arguments.

    So. By putting this up for discussion, you believe all of it, Jack?

    Tin foil hat time.

    This should be in the conspiracy theory section.

    Come on, the FBI and US high up's would never mislead us. Absurd.

    I refuse to discuss any of the names, cites, or content, but here is a silly picture.

    :alcoholic:
     
  2. exotix

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    You have a point ... Why bomb the Boston Marathon to kill and maim innocent bystanders with crockpots .... all on video surveillance ... then wait around to make a mad dash to N.Y. robbing 7/11's and ATM cards before shooting a cop then carjacking another random victim and tossing crockpots ... after you've been identified as the bombers ?
     
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    Isn't insanity interesting?
     
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    Having been somewhat a student of the Kennedy assassination over the years I immediately noticed the similarities....... a few questions are obvious:

    1) Why did the brothers not immediately leave the Boston area.....they should have had a ticket to Eastern Europe/Central Asia ready to go.....the younger brother was partying with classmates in his dormroom on Wednesday night;

    2) The FBI pretended to not have a clue who these two people were......asked the public to "help identify them" even though the Boston FBI office had interviewed the entire family and had a file on them;

    3) Ther are no dashcam photos of the "firefight" in which the brothers were "throwing pressure cooker bombs" at the police;

    4) Who is the individual that is shown being taken into custody in the nude who looks like the older brother....and who has been identified by a family member as Suspect #1;

    5) Why did the media tell us that Suspect #2 was involved in a "firefight" from the boat.....and then shot himself in the throat....when we learned today that he had no weapon;

    6) Who was the Saudi national who was the original person of interest.......did Michelle Obama really meet with him in the hospital.....where is he today.....has he been deported?

    7) Who was the dude in the white baseball cap and black backpack that the "runner" in the blue jogging top was talking to.....the backpack that was stuffed so full that you could see a round indention protruding through";

    8) Who were the dudes in the combat boots, khaki pants, black shirts, ear pieces......one of whom didn't have a backpack at the end"?

    When someone can answer all of those questions I will believe the gubment's story..........
     
  5. Pregnar Kraps

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    I haven't followed the detailed debriefing prompted by this event, but I remember thinking, upon hearing they went out and partied after blowing the bomb, "they must think they won't be identifed, hunted down and captured."

    That's your answer for question #1.
     
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    Or, since they had been interviewed by the FBI.......more likely that they had no clue that they were even suspects......just like Oswald.....until he realized he was the patsey......not a very good answer to #1......and you've got six more to get through.....good luck
     
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    True to form, and as predicted.

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    :applause:

    Wise outlook to have.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It certainly is...I find it extremely interesting that such a large portion of the US population will believe almost anything they see on TV as long as the guy talking has a suit and tie on....INSANE!
     
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    I could have predicted such a response from this one, very true to the nature of the Hasbara agent, and how they never debate the message.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They haven't got their official line down yet with canned answers to the excellent questions that have been posed here on this thread. It'll take a few weeks for the official arguments to appear here. Until then, all we will get will be ignorant crap like Yosh posted.
     
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    There is just no need for it.

    It is rude, and no one I know conducts themselves that way, in real life, to me anyway.

    I raised a well written article, drew no conclusions, the least it merits is a mature and detailed response, or even just say nothing, rather than open your mouth and confirm your rudeness, imo.

    :thumbsup:
     
  12. Yosh Shmenge

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    Instead of the crazy stew you have spewed all over your post why not just choose one single point, that you feel absolutely makes your case and you can
    document clearly?
    Can you do any or all of this, and leave all the extemperous crap out? Not interested in what you think of Lee Harvey Oswald or what Tsarnaev's aunt thinks about her dear nephew....just make a contention and prove it.

    Because, you know...that's how we "Hasbara agents" roll.
     
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    Nice way to pre-empt the ridiculous nature of the post from the very misleading titled vetranstoday web site.

    It never fails. There is always a govenrment conspiracy. Its always the government to blame in a dastardly and pernious plot to terrorize its citizens into letting the government do x y and z.

    Seems everyone wants to be Alice Sutton helping Jerry Fletcher prove his paranoid psychotic conspiracy theory about the eeevilllll Dr. Jonas. (Conspiracy Theory, 1997).

    I'm sure that the questions will be answered within the fullness of time and the legal process.
     
  14. Yosh Shmenge

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    "I drew no conclusions"? Really?
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why is it that whenever someone suggests the media or the federal government might be lying to us regarding a huge media event like Boston, a bunch of professional on line Israeli ass lickers futily and lamely attempts to bolster the official line of crap?
     
  16. Jack Napier

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    I opted to offer the entire article, what is your problem?

    Either examine the content, and discuss is maturely, or move on.

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    Yes, really.

    I haven't, since day one.

    Bet you have though, right?

    Oy vey, Yosh.
     
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    The motive eludes me. In the Kennedy assassination, it's purported to be a hit sanctioned by the mob. The Mob was heavily invested in gambling in Cuba. Both John and Robert made the destruction of the mob job one. So I can understand why they would want to do it. My self I don't thing Oswald was aiming at Kennedy, I think John Connally was his intended target. Connally was Secretary of the Navy when Oswald defected to Russia as a Marine during WWII. Before Kennedy was shot, Oswald sent a letter to Connally asking forgiveness and wanted to come back to the US.. Connally wrote back telling Lee Harvey (in so many words) that if Oswald ever set foot in the US again, he would see to it personally that he was hung as a deserter. It would have been easy for a mob operative to convince Oswald that he needed to take out Conally. Meanwhile, other mob shooters take out Kennedy and blame it on patsy Oswald. I get that and it makes sense. Can you please tell for whom blowing up innocents would help and how would they benefit?
     
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    Maybe because the "professional on line israeli ass lickers" are several orders of magnitude more intelligent than the idiots who believe all this conspiracy garbage before all the facts have been determined.

    Or perhaps they enjoy pointing out the outlandish and outrageous speculation that always swirls around the conspiratorialists in the absence of any data or the application of any logic.

    Just to clarify - government conspiracy is substantively different that media/government lying to the public. I was addressing the conspiracy angle. I gather that is not too nuanced a difference for you to grasp?
     
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    That's - actually a reasonable question to ask any person starting a thread. What parts of it DO and DON'T you believe?

    Eh - maybe tomorrow.
     
  20. Jack Napier

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    I don't 'believe' anything yet, that is my stance.

    I am however prepared to examine all information and patterns, as they may come in.
     
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    The article is my problem. It is an absolute jungle of overgrown verbiage, allegations, insinuations, uproven assertions and references to items not in evidence.
    There is no plausible evidence for government involvement, no motives, nothing to gain and, especially under this president, no reason whatsoever to stir up hatred of Muslims among the citizenry! It seems insane to me.

    That's why I asked you to focus one just one single charge, out of dozens, and try to make it stick which, of course, you will not do.


    I guess you just dug up this incredible rant as a public service? About as believable as the rambling incoherent OP itself.

    Absolutely yes! Until I see one little glimmer of fact among all the bs I'm not one to engage in exercises in paranoia. And by the way, I'm not a jew. Sorry to disappoint you.
     
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    Should be easy for you to debunk and challenge then, point by point.
     
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    Can you grasp the fact that perhaps the reason the government and the media constantly lie to the public they are supposed to work for and inform, might be to cover up a continual stream of conspiratorial behavior? Maybe they are just lying to us for our own good and I am not 'nuance wise' enough to see it.

    Cheers
     
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    Be prepared to wait a long time for that to happen. Their game is to deflect, insult and derail, not to address the questions posed. Cheers
     
  25. Yosh Shmenge

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    For instance let's just take one or two paragraphs of paranoid rambling: "Like Oswald, who was murdered in the Dallas police station while in custody, it appears that both Tsarnaev brothers were in perfectly good health when they were arrested – and then were shot after their arrests."
    Where in the name of Earl Warren is ANY proof at all for this claim?

    Do you realize the younger brother was identified hiding, in a state of semi-consciousness in a Watertown back yard under a tarp in a boat, because he was bleeding so heavily, and was suffering from such blood loss, that his own blood left a trail for the owner of the house to follow and D. Tsarnaev was in no condition to resist in any way?

    In what way does profound loss of blood signify "perfectly good health"?

    Do you also realize that every single resident of another Watertown neighborhood witnessed a shoot out between
    the brothers and police there and when Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shot down his brother ran him over in his haste to flee the scene? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rnaev-revealed-Dzhokhar-ran-body-getaway.html

    "Naked man"? What "naked man"?
    Any proof of this? Got a photo or eye witness account....anything? Dzokhar was found bleeding to death in a Watertown back yard...there's "perfect health" for you. B.S.!

    Helicoptor surveilance photos did not show Tsarnaev climbing out of his hiding place.
    He was climbing in and there are many many photos and eyewitnesses that witnessed the paramedics when they pulled the semi conscious Tsarnaev out of the boat he was hiding in.
    This is one of the most (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up thinest and most implausible lies I ever seen!

    And of course, it goes on and on. I've only highlighted one small detail, something you refuse to do, and shown what a pile of rubbish this is. No wonder you haven't "decided yet" whether you believe this or not...you need lots of room to backpeddle away from this pack of lies, don't you.
     

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