Benghazi: A Desperate GOP Attack

That would have interfered with two (2) narratives:

1. That Al Quaeda and Arab terrorism was routed; and
2. That Islamists are not at war with the West.

Not exactly great material if you're an appeasement-oriented "one world" type.

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I'm a board leftist and I'm in agreement with you.

 

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

 

Sorry, it is not "beyond logic or reason" to ask someone to support their assertions and claims with credible evidence.

What is logical is to expect that a credible person has a basis for their factual assertions and can provide support for it, and that if they cannot produce it, it is probable that their claims are fabricated bull(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

I didn't know that the office of the Special Prosecutor was gone. That is a pity, because every time you listen to video clips of Susan Rice rolling out the Obama regime's outright lies about Benghazi -- you remember that one week ago, Vice-President Biden said she speaks for Obama:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...susan-rice-she-is-speaking-for-the-president/
http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/05...ether-or-not-shes-speaking-for-the-president/
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/8/joe-biden-susan-rice-has-obamas-absolute-total-com/

But, hey -- if there's no one with the authority to call BULL**** on all the Obama regime's lies, manipulations, and distortions, then Hillary was absolutely right when she said, "What difference does it make?!"

No doubt about it, you Libs win this one, and you'll win the IRS Scandal, plus the Associated Press Scandal, too. A veritable Trifecta! No wonder President Warlord wasn't afraid of anybody impeaching him over breaking the War Powers Act in 2011 -- he's completely immune to any investigation, and he's completely above the law! "SIEG HEIL", FÜHRER OBAMA!

 

So let me get this straight, because the RW propaganda media is full of (*)(*)(*)(*), that means Obama is a dictator?

 

No person, including the President can "Obstruct Justice", but the level or degree for justice must be determined. That is if the "Cover Up" is simply a series of judgment errors, little of no punishment would be in order, BUT if the "Cover Up" was for the purpose of winning a "Political Office" (ANY) and possibly four lives were lost in the process that could have been saved, then you have problem.

And by the way it's no longer just the "right wing media" (whatever that means), but the main stream urban area media (that promotes liberalism) that's questioning that intent....

 

Agreed. If you know of any evidence supporting the latter, let me know.

They get sucked into it now and then. Witness the run up to the Iraq war with all the evidence the MSM happily parroted that later turned out to be bogus.

 

In assuming you feel Benghazi is a "Desperate Attack" (thread), I'm saying it's not determined and what will be going on for months to come a legal process designed for such a question. Forget the "leave no man behind" slogan for all the military and diplomatic personnel, those four DEAD Americans deserve justice, even if seen as token.

As for BUSH 43 and Iraq, you don't want to hear my scenario on what may have been without taking out Hussein. Even here that scenario may still be viable in that more dead people have piled up in the Middle East &/or North Africa in the past four years and stability is now based on what the "Muslim Brotherhood" wants....

 

I believe a number of people have been arrested in connection with the attack, but I'm not that familiar with the details.

My point was another example where even the MSM media gets sucked into believing what the RW propaganda pumps out.

 

It was Hillary Clinton's State Department, as I recall. She is responisble for screw ups like Benghazi whether she personally decided NOT to give our diplomats the protection they requested or not!
Stop playing disingenuous games.

Always the sophist! The proof of Obama's inaction is the fact that nothing was done to counter the attack on our consulate in Benghazi. That's the easiest slam dunk I've ever seen.

 

It is one thing to say she is responsible by virtue of her position as Secretary of State. For which she has accepted responsibility.

It is quite another to claim that she made the actual decisions on the security of the consulate.

Stop playing disingenuous games.

Excellent point.

If that is the the proof, then you've just proved the case for Obama. Because in fact something was done; within an hour of receiving notice that the consulate was under attack reinforcements were flown from Tripoli to Bengazi where they arrived and helped set up the defense of the annex and transport the survivors to the airport.

Excellent job for Obama.

 

Either way, she is responsible and as you say, has accepted the responsibility for leaving our diplomats
severely under protected.
She is gambling that no one will remember or care in three years....we will see!

Actually the CIA did all of this. CIA defense contractors were sent by the CIA from one agency facility to another.
And if anything, Woods and Doherty were told to "stand down" and they disobeyed the order. http://www.policymic.com/articles/1...wice-to-stand-down-during-fight-plot-thickens

We are still left with the fact that Obama did nothing (NOTHING) to intervene in Benghazi though he could have and had a couple of good options, if he wanted to use them. He did not.

 

But that doesn't mean she was the one who made the decisions, does it?

She manned up and took responsibility. More than a lot of politicians would do.

LOL, changing your test, now are you?

Stop playing disingenuous games.

 

Desperate hell, they own Obama right now!

 

The ironic part is Carney says they did not mention al queda because they didn't have concrete evidence yet they mention the youtube video which ultimately put the lives of all in the video on a hit list, This admin could care less that they jeopardized all the lives of the people in this video just to cover up the truth for political reasons. Its a disgrace!!!! They pushed the youtube video like it was gospel!! and we all come to find out it was 100% fabricated, why hasn't anyone been held accountable? why is it we have NOBODY in custody for this attack even though we have video/photos of the attackers? why was special ops told to stand down? Were the stand down orders given to let them all die? NO WITNESS?

I wish a reporter would ask carney or the pres if they apologized to the actors in the youtube video for falsely accusing the video for the attack on Benghazi and putting their lives in great danger!!

 

No, we just don't know this though Clinton claims an underling was responsible for leaving Benghazi naked and vulnerable. Doesn't say much for her State Department.

It's certainly more than Obama will do but
"taking responsibility" is really a meaningless way of getting people off your back. There will be probably zero consequences for her and I'm sure she learned that trick from her pal Janet Reno in Waco. "I'm responsible...there. Now let me alone!"

I don't see how. Obama sent no one from Tripoli and no one suggests he did (certainly not Obama himself) and he sent no military response to help those under attack in Benghazi either.
How is that a change? Or can't you say?

 

Thanks for supporting my position.

Could be. But OTOH if she wasn't the one making the decisions on the security staffing, IMO there shouldn't be any major consequence. Attacks happen. There were 13 of them while Bush was president, and I don't recall him or his Sec States taking responsibility or resigning or suffering any major conseuquences.

Why would you think Obama would personally send them? He is the C-in-C. The chain of command issues the tactical orders. That is what happened here and reinforcements were sent as expeditiously as possible.

Exactly what additional operations do you contend should have been taken that would have been more effective given the information they had? Please enlighten us, and they you can explain why you have superior knowledge of what should have been done than the military chain of command.

Of course I can say.

First you state: "The proof of Obama's inaction is the fact that nothing was done to counter the attack on our consulate in Benghazi."

And then why I point out that something in fact was done, they sent reinforcements out as soon as possible, all of a sudden that is no longer sufficient proof, right?

Now that your "proof" was shot down, you continue to make a bald, unsupported, assertion that Obama did nothing.

 

How did Obama jeopardize the lives of the actors in the video?

 

Meh.......

I don't recall any ot those attacks (in an Iraqi war zone) being like Benghazi and so utterly predictable and preventable with prudent precautions.
In any event whatever Bush did or did not do not excuse such bungling under this administration.

Actually, the defense contractors were ordered to stand down. http://www.policymic.com/articles/1...wice-to-stand-down-during-fight-plot-thickens
I'm sure I posted this before. If not...it turns out no one sent help to our consulate.

Obama had a couple of options that were not exercised. I have to believe not leaving people to die while under attack
doesn't require superior knowledge...just a spine and some small measure of moral fiber.

Obama did not send help and never claimed he did. The help that was in Benghazi was, in fact, ordered not to go to the aid of the consulate.

The premise is wrong so, of course, the rest is wrong also.

 

Oh, c'mon, Iriemon, I know how to play this game, too. So what part (if any) of "the RW propaganda" is factually incorrect? You are always a fact-based person, and I have respected you for years for being so. But don't go to the trouble of finding links, because you know that I'll just go and find more links of my own. This is futile! My side has lost, and your side has won....

It doesn't matter anymore, and I finally see that now. Nixon was ultimately undone by stonewalling a Watergate Special Prosecutor... I remember it clearly. When Nixon ordered the firing of Archibald Cox (the SP), he ignited a firestorm that forced him out of the White House. But there will be no "firestorm" today, or tomorrow. Nobody really cares, and "What difference does it make?"

With his lock on the Senate, and with the Supreme Court doing his bidding, and through his "appointees", Obama can rule by decree, and his hyperlib cadre will dissect anyone who objects with Gestapo tactics. Meanwhile, President Courageous can play the fair-minded "man of all the people" by "firing" a career IRS bureaucrat -- WHO WAS GOING TO LEAVE THE POST IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS ANYWAY!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/16/obama-to-meet-with-treasury-officials-over-irs-scandal/

What drama! What a Schauspiel! And with only a confused pack of stupid, self-interested RINO's on social-"behavior" crusades to oppose him, Obama wins every battle, and, the war! No one will dare do anything about his tyranny now... the United States, based on the Constitution and the rule of Law is dead. Congratulations to all socialist Democrats -- you've hated this country and everything that made it great all your lives, and now you've finally killed it!

One last note... I never referred to either of us as "parasites", Iriemon, for I also have diversified my investments. I was trying to point out that although the "Great Recession" ended four years ago that the Federal Reserve deliberately crushes interest rates underfoot to protect and enrich the banking cartels and the stock market. To your credit, I did not hear you refute that statement, and I don't expect you to now. To the victor goes the spoils, so, enjoy!

 

Let me summarize in a few words what's going on in the White House now - sh*t has finally hit the fan. And I love it

 

LOL, I've been hearing the same line for 4 1/2 years now.

 

By making their NAMES and FACES known to islamist psycho jihadists, who have MURDERED PEOPLE for CARTOONS, before, OBVIOUSLY.


Duh....

 

love hearing the move on muppets here brag about how their leaders don't lead or have a clue what is going on. Who was the comedian that last week sniped that Obama learned about Bin Laden being killed when he heard himself taking credit for it on TV

 

It's the way of bureaucrats and Obama is the ultimate bureaucrat.

They learn from birth how to take credit when things go right and avoid any blame when things go wrong.