"Feminism" & Breast Cancer

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  1. Anansi the Spider

    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Elite so-called feminists seek to impose (using economic pressure and lies) a dangerous lifestyle on women - a lifestyle that too often leads to breast cancer.

    Women who have no children are more likely to get breast cancer. Women who have their first child at a late age are more likely to get breast cancer. Women who don't breastfeed are more likely to get breast cancer. Women who use oral contraceptives are more likely to get breast cancer. Women who have an abortion are more likely to get breast cancer.

    Major U.S. Study Shows Oral Contraceptives Increase Breast Cancer Risk 44 %

    Influential feminists have argued against breastfeeding: The Case Against Breast-Feeding

    Breast Cancer: A link with abortion

    The single most avoidable risk factor for breast cancer is......elective abortion.

    Political Correctness Keeping Researchers From Making Abortion, Breast Cancer Link?

    Groups Request Congressional Investigation of National Cancer Institute's Misinformation on Breast Cancer Risks of Abortion, Oral Contraceptives

    So upper class pseudo-feminists not only want to kill off a woman's future, but also give her breast cancer.
     
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    Elite so-called feminists are not pro-choice, they are anti-family. How many of these fake feminists support tax breaks for families?

    Here's what one woman found at feminist meetings: My fascination with this new movement lasted only a few months. At the huge "collectives", I heard shrill women preaching hatred of the family.

    LINK

    Feminist icon Simone de Beauvoir said, "We don't believe that any woman should have this choice. No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children . . . precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one."

    LINK

    Planned Parenthood lies to women. If you really care about choice you don't lie to the one making the decision.

    Planned Parenthood’s use of unscientific and fabricated medical information
     
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    Do you go by the user name Thunderbird somewhere else?
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    funny that a simple google search also turns up that women over 5” 7” tall have a greater risk and article that confirmed that childless women were at greater risk, as were women with more than five children, teenage mothers, and mothers with children closer than 18 months apart. So a tall teenage mother of five or more children under age 7 is basically up the creek.

    Height linked to Breast Cancer - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/941890.stm
    Childless Women Risk Poorer Health In Later Life - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060916154936.htm


    I love the way some people cherry pick items to fit their agenda, remember correlation does not imply causation, you would do well to understand that concept before posting drivel.
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    quote: Importantly, during the last 8 weeks of pregnancy, other hormones differentiate these cells into milk-producing cells. In the process the growth potential-and cancer-forming potential-of these cells is turned off. That is why a full-term pregnancy lowers the risk of breast cancer later in life.
    Therefore, if a woman who has gone through some weeks or months of a normal pregnancy chooses abortion, she is left with more of these cancer-vulnerable cells in her breasts than were there before she got pregnant, which raises her risk of breast cancer later in life.

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    Abortion isn't legal on "demand" in Finland so the study is flawed. Instead of just mindlessly copying and pasting what others said, like a parrot does, why don't you explain? So far, most of what you said is spam.
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    The link provided refers to data from many countries, not only Finland.
     
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    No. Read it again. It says Finland. Great job on not doing your own homework.
     
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    quote from the link provided: The original publication of the STAKES suicide data prompted researchers at the South Glamorgan (population 408,000) Health Authority in Great Britain to examine their own data on admissions for suicide attempts both before and after pregnancy events. They found that among those who aborted, there was a shift from a roughly “normal” suicide attempt rate before the abortion to a significantly higher suicide attempt rate after the abortion. After their pregnancies, there were 8.1 suicide attempts per thousand women among those who had abortions, compared to only 1.9 suicide attempts among those who gave birth. The higher rate of suicide attempts subsequent to abortion was particularly evident among women under 30 years of age.

    quote from the link provided: In a study of government-funded medical programs in Canada, researchers found that women who had undergone an abortion in the previous year were treated for mental disorders 41 percent more often than postpartum women, and 25 percent more often for injuries or conditions resulting from violence.

    Statistics from the U.S. and China are also discussed.
     
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    You are too illiterate to read your own source material. It says: Abortion Nearly Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth: New Government Study In Finland Ignored by Abortion Providers. This is the story you are trying to pass off before even reading it.

    Abortion is only legal for health and social-economic reasons and, even then, a patient needs the approval of two physicians. There is no legal "abortion on demand" in Finland, so that makes the study flawed.

    Like I said, before blindly copying and pasting what other people tell you to think, perhaps you should read the source material?

    Women who have a history of sexual abuse are also more likely to have abortions too. People going through mental trauma are more likely to commit suicide than those who are mentally healthy. However, the studies you are trying to pass off as being scientific isn't even relevant and doesn't hold any meaningful content. The usual demographics who have abortions are different than those who often go through childbirth. Unless you are able to statistically match the economic, health and lifestyle of each group, then the study holds no real merit.

    Lastly, neither the Chinese, Canadain nor American sources proves that abortions increase the rate of suicide. Again, I can't stress enough to you: do your homework and read your own material. The website you have used it riddled with misinformation...esp. not being honest about Finland's laws against abortion.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    As I said, cherry picking items doesn't mean a thing ... should we add growth restriction drugs to all females food in order to stop them growing over 5' 7", after all women over that height have a greater chance of developing breast cancer, as do women with more than five children, teenage mothers, and mothers with children closer than 18 months apart.

    Why are you not highlighting those things as well .. or it it because it doesn't fit your agenda.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    It is also found that in the majority of these cases the people involved had a history of mental illness PRIOR to the abortion .. as I said before cherry picking what suits your agenda just makes you look dishonest.

    http://www.jhsph.edu/sebin/o/a/Charles_2008_Contraception.pdf


    Extract From the above

    Try reading something that doesn't just adhere to your own ideals, try reading a peer re-viewed study such as the one linked to above, you might actually learn something.

    Oh and by the way even the report you use (The STAKES Study) itself states

    http://eurpub.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/5/459.full
     
  14. Anansi the Spider

    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Here's my earlier statement: "The link provided refers to data from many countries, not only Finland." You disagreed. You were wrong. Please admit your error.

    Provide evidence for your assertion and explain how this invalidates the study.
     
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    quote: Abortion, on the other hand, is clearly linked to a dramatic increase in suicide risk. This statistical finding is corroborated by interview-based studies which have consistently shown extraordinarily high levels of suicidal ideation (30-55 percent) and reports of suicide attempts (7-30 percent) among women who have had an abortion. In many of these studies, the women interviewed have explicitly described the abortion as the cause of their suicidal impulses.

    quote: As in the STAKES sample, birth was associated with a significantly lower risk of suicide attempts. The South Glamorgan researchers concluded that their data did not support the view that suicide after an abortion was predicated on prior poor mental health, at least as measured by prior suicide attempts. Instead, “the increased risk of suicide after an induced abortion may therefore be a consequence of the procedure itself.”

    LINK

    Let's examine some peer-reviewed studies:

    quote: Numerous peer-reviewed medical studies have found an association between abortion and suicide. Many others have found an association between induced abortion and depression, which is a major risk factor for suicide. In fact, between 10 percent and 30 percent of women suffer serious, prolonged negative psychological consequences after abortion.

    A 1995 study by A.C. Gilchrist in the British Journal of Psychiatry found that in women with no history of psychiatric illness, the rate of deliberate self-harm was 70 percent higher after abortion than after childbirth.

    A 1996 study in Finland by pro-choice researcher Mika Gissler in the British Medical Journal found that the suicide rate was nearly six times greater among women who aborted than among women who gave birth.

    A 2002 record-linkage study of California Medicaid patients in the Southern Medical Journal, which controlled for prior mental illness, found that suicide risk was 154 percent higher among women who aborted than among those who delivered.

    By 2003, the data was so compelling that a team of researchers published in the Obstetrical & Gynecological Survey (OGS), one of the top three obstetrical journals in the United States, identified a number of studies that found that “induced abortion increased … [the incidence] of mood disorders substantial enough to provoke attempts at self-harm” and concluded that, as a matter of medical ethics, “any woman contemplating an induced abortion should be cautioned about the mental health correlates of an increased risk of suicide or self-harm attempts as well as depression.”

    A 2005 study by Mika Gissler in the European Journal of Public Health found that abortion was associated with a six-times-higher risk for suicide compared to birth.

    A 2006 study by New Zealand researcher David M. Fergusson in the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry, which controlled for a prior history of depression and anxiety and suicidal ideation (wanting to take one’s own life or thinking about suicide), found that 27 percent to 50 percent of women after abortion reported suicidal ideation. Mr. Fergusson found that the risk of suicide was three times greater for women who aborted than for women who delivered.

    A 2010 study by Natalie P. Mota in the Canadian Journal of Psychiatry found that “abortion was associated with an increased likelihood of several mental disorders - mood disorders … substance abuse disorders … as well as suicidal ideation and suicide attempts.”

    Finally, last September, a meta-analysis in the British Journal of Psychiatry found an 81 percent increased risk of mental trauma after abortion.

    LINK
     
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    You wrote, "Abortion Four Times Deadlier Than Childbirth" and I exposed the flaw of your study. Next you mentioned a bunch of other studies which didn't prove the similiar study.
    Try again. You are upset because I have humiliated you.


    http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/population/abortion/Finland.abo.htm


    Because legal abortion is not freely available in Finland while childbirth is. This makes the Finnish study garbage. Learn the foundation of statistics.
     
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    I see absolutely no reason to outlaw abortion on the basis that it may increase the risk of breast cancer. If that is indeed true, and not just more pro-life smoke, then require abortion clinics to inform the woman of the risk. The woman can then make the choice herself with the relevant information. People choose to engage in activities and behaviors that increase the risk of health effects every single day, and most of them are perfectly legal. Even walking down the street in a big city can increase your risk of illness.

    Same with suicide. If we were outlawing things because they increase the risk of suicide, we'd pretty much need to outlaw money and love.
     
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    LOL! The Washington Times is a conservative rag and some of the articles which the author supposely mentions as being "peer-reviewed" simply weren't. For example, the 1996 study in Finland and the 2002 record-linkage study of the California Medicaid system were originally posted by the Elliot Institute...which is a anti-abortion think tank group. Think tanks lack all the checks and balances that keep academic research honest, these think tanks produce highly flawed and biased studies whose only purpose is to promote policies that favor the followers that fund them.

    While on the otherhand, some of the studies do not demostrate any link at all.
    Like the 2005 study by Mika Gissler in the European Journal of Public Health only studied women who had abortions in Finland (Again, abortion is not legal on demand in Finland or even the United Kingdom.) And the study does not show a "association between abortion and suicide" because correlation does not imply causation. Even if post-abortive women committed suicide 300 times more often than those who didn't have abortions, it wouldn't prove that abortion causes it.

    So, no, many of these studies were never peer-reviewed and a simple analysis of the studies shows this. If you want to examine a better example of peer-reviewed material concerning the mental health of women after abortions, look at the one C. Everett Koop did, the Surgeon General under Ronald Reagan. Despite being a pro-life activist and having the country's resources at his disposal, he admitted that the number of women who suffered from post-abortion trauma was minuscule.
     
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    Link to evidence required.

    Highlighted the important word in your comment, "may" does not constitute a definite correlation, and as already shown to you from the very study you are quoting even they do not form the conclusion that abortion increase suicide risks.

    now did you even bother to read the link provided, or did you just pick the bits that suited your agenda .. here is the link again in case you missed it - http://www.jhsph.edu/sebin/o/a/Charles_2008_Contraception.pdf

    Links required to all of these please.

    You think a piece in The Washington Times is evidence enough do you :roflol:

    how about the following dispelling your cherry picked items.

    http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10673220903149119

    Every single one of the cherry picked items you have posted, when read in full, state that women with prior mental problems are the more likely to exhibit further problems after abortion .. thus the conclusion must be that abortion does not cause mental problems, but it can add to the already existing ones, hence the problem lies, not in abortions itself, but in the lack of available help to treat existing conditions.

    This whole OP is nothing more than the usual pro-life fare of taking what fits their agenda and proclaiming a fallacy as fact.
     
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    I like your post, though the reality is that abortion doesn't increase the chances of breast cancer any more than a woman being over 5' 7" tall, or women with more than five children, teenage mothers, and mothers with children closer than 18 months apart.

    There is also little evidence to support that abortion causes mental illness which may lead to suicide, most, if not all the studies done have found that women with prior mental problems are more likely to develop further mental problems after an abortion, those with no prior mental problems suffer no more than women who go thorough pregnancy and give birth.

    The whole OP is a fallacy based on cherry picked items.
     
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    lol So often a big ego is found together with inadequate posts.

    I'm still waiting for you to admit your earlier error.

    You simply dismiss studies that fail to buttress your prejudices.

    Do you acknowledge that women who have aborted are more likely to suffer ill health and suicide? What is your explanation? Could depression following an abortion be the cause?

    quote: One possible explanation would be that the women who died after an abortion were already in ill health before the abortions and sought the abortion to protect their health. But this hypothesis was rejected by the STAKES researchers when an examination of abortion registry records showed that only a single woman in this group had her abortion for reasons of maternal health.(18 ) The STAKES data would appear to support the view that induced abortion produces an unnatural physical and psychological stress on women that can result in a negative impact on their general health.

    This theory is also supported by a 1984 study that examined the amount of health care sought by women during a year before and a year after their induced abortions. The researchers found that on average, there was an 80 percent increase in the number of doctor visits and a 180 percent increase in doctor visits for psychosocial reasons after abortion.(19)

    Ten years later, another study of 1,428 patients chosen at random from their office visits to 69 general practitioners found that pregnancy loss, especially abortion, was significantly associated with a lower assessment of general health.(20) The more pregnancy losses a woman had suffered, the more negative her general health score. In addition, loss of a woman’s most recent pregnancy was more strongly associated with lower health than were losses followed by successful deliveries.
     
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    Great point.
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Of course all the peer-reviewed studies presented in the article must be false - they fail to prop up your ideology.
     
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    Not sure why some people want to serve as apologists for an industry that tortures near-infants to death.

    "Torture" is the right word: Doctors on Fetal Pain
     
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