"Feminism" & Breast Cancer

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  1. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That makes no sense. There are more PP clinics in white neighborhoods.
     
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    Yes, but Margaret Sanger was very racist.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No more than the general white population. Quotes attributed to her were fabricated, misattributed, and taken from context. Black women approached her for help, and she helped them. She wasn't racist; she has been slandered by pro-lifers.
     
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    Oh goodness, so Planned Parenthood is trying to exterminate all the white people now?! If Planned Parenthood doesn't evenly place clinics according to demographics, that must automatically mean they are racists who want to kill 6,000,000 Jews. [/sarcasm]
     
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    Even if she were racist, what difference would it make? She is dead and she holds no power over the company anymore. It is childish and simplistic to think Planned Parenthood wants to exterminate all racial minorities because of the views of one person. Never mind that Planned Parenthood has a diverse workforce, has clinics mostly in white neighborhoods and shows no institutional racism. Never mind that somehow you think CEOs are completely incapable of changing the direction of a company beyond what the founder had imagined. For once, instead of having a partisan website tell you what to think, think for yourself. How gullible must you be to believe in this crap?
     
  6. Anansi the Spider

    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Babylon, here's what you wrote earlier. You failed to provide evidence. Admit your error. And this is just one of the looney claims you have failed to back up.
    As I said it was mostly an elite preoccupation.
    This is the ugly history of the eugenics/pro-abortion movement.
    Be specific.
    You screech at me for cutting and pasting and now you cut and paste from Wikipedia! Don't you see how silly you look?

    And you edited out information that doesn't prop up your beliefs.

    quote from Wikipedia: Sanger also supported restrictive immigration policies. In "A Plan for Peace", a 1932 essay, she proposed a congressional department to address population problems. She also recommended that immigration exclude those "whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race," and that sterilization and segregation be applied to those with incurable, hereditary disabilities.

    Isn't it obvious? We're discussing the history of the elite's eugenics & abortion obsession.

    No, the associations I pointed out are neither irrelevant nor trivial.
     
  7. Anansi the Spider

    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    Do you repudiate Margaret Sanger, yes or no?

    Margaret Sanger served the elite's eugenics obsession that often included abortion and compulsory sterilization. The abortion industry you love so much is the latest manifestation of elite racism.
     
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    Anansi the Spider Well-Known Member

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    I've quoted other bigots within the pro-abortion movement.

    You simply ignore evidence to the contrary. The Guttmacher Institute is just an arm of the abortion industry and can be counted on to cover up industry wrongdoing.

    79% of Planned Parenthood Abortion Clinics Target Blacks, Hispanics

    Klan Parenthood

    The Planned Parenthood Racism Project
     
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    The Nazis were eager to use abortion to kill off their enemies. Our elites are just as eager to dispose of their enemies - those the elites find inconvenient.

    quote: As Bormann hoped, that evening Hitler chose the second policy
    and the next day he told Bormann to issue population control measures
    for the occupied territories. Bormann developed an eight-paragraph
    secret order that one historian termed "perhaps the most extreme
    policy statement ever issued from the Fuhrerhauptquartier."[4] It
    included the following: enemies

    When girls and women in the Occupied Territories of the
    East have abortions, we can only be in favor of it;
    in
    any case we should not oppose it. The Fuhrer believes
    that we should authorize the development of a thriving
    trade in contraceptives. We are not interested in seeing
    the non-German population multiply.[5]

    This was not the first such statement. On 25 November 1939, shortly
    after the occupation of Poland, a Nazi SS organization called the
    Reich Commission for Strengthening of Germandom (RKFDV)[6] issued
    this decree:

    All measures which have the tendency to limit the births
    are to be tolerated or to be supported. Abortion in the
    remaining area [of Poland] must be declared free from
    punishment.
    The means for abortion and contraceptive
    means may be offered publicly without police restriction.
    Homosexuality is always to be declared legal. The
    institutions and persons involved professionally in
    abortion practices are not to be interfered with by
    police.[7]

    This policy was confirmed on 27 May 1941 at a Ministry of the
    Interior conference in Berlin. There a group of experts recommended
    population control measures for Poland that included authorization of
    abortion
    whenever the mother requested it.[8] On 19 October 1941, a
    decree applied the measures to the Polish population. Hitler's 23
    July 1942 decree extended it to other parts of Eastern Europe. Hitler
    confirmed his order on August 5.[9]

    LINK
     
  10. Fugazi

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    What I find really quite funny about your comments is that all of them come from rabid pro-life sites, do you not have any other sources or are you so brainwashed that only these mean anything to you?
     
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    Bigots is plural, meaning more than one. You've only quoted one and I've quoted three times more bigots in the pro-"life" movement than you. So, no, you haven't quoted "bigots within the pro-abortion movement.", Spider. And, once again, I have directly caught you delivering misinformation.

    But, Spider, the "evidence" you have provided shows that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is correct. Suggesting, "79% of its abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods" is extremely misleading once you examine how they came up with the figure. PROBLEM: Their data only shows all neighborhoods within a 2 mile radius of an abortion clinic, not inside their neighborhoods. If you just glance at cities like Boise, Salt Lake City, Fort Collins, Albuquerque, Mobile, Birmingham, Sarsota, Naples, Vermont, Indianapolis, St.Paul, Sioux City, Lincoln, Kennewick, Concord, Richmond (Virginia), Fayetteville, Colorado Springs, Anchorage, Fairbanks, Ventura, Pittsburgh and probably many more that I didn't get a chance to look at, the Planned Parenthood facilities were closer to or placed in non-Hispanic/black areas/neighborhoods. And your source has errors...just look at Chapel Hill, North Carolina...there isn't even a single Hispanic/black population within the two mile radius, yet, you claim this is proof? Spider, your research instead validates what the Alan Guttmacher Institute has reported!
    So, from what I understand, Spider; abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods = racist but abortion clinics in white neighborhoods = not racist. You pro-"lifers" are such terrible racists in your hypersensitivity to minorities but don't even care if Planned Parenthood is exterminating whites. Why aren't you as equally outraged by this, you racist?!


    Does not compute. "Attacking the messenger" is a subdivision of the ad hominem logical fallacy. Try again, little Spider, you just got smacked in the face with logic.


    Please provide evidence if you make a statement. You've made a lot of false, foolish statements and it's very hard for anyone to take you seriously. LOL!


    So it is perfectly okay to cite websites who are aligned with the pro-"life" movement yet not okay to cite the Alan Guttmacher Institute? Hypocrite.
     
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    Repudiate her for what? Margaret Sanger was a pioneer in the birth control movement. She's done more for stopping abortion and saving the lives of millions of women around the world from maternal morbidity than you have, Spider. She may have said and done things which were unacceptable by modern standards, but Sanger lived in the early 20th century where eugenics, xenophobia and racism were acceptable.

    Please provide evidence if you make a statement. You've made a lot of false, foolish statements and it's very hard for anyone to take you seriously.

    Please provide evidence if you make a statement. You've made a lot of false, foolish statements and it's very hard for anyone to take you seriously.
     
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    Spider, you're being very deceitful again. Copy and paste the first sentence that I made, not just parts of it to serve your argument. Here is what I wrote in entirety:

    As a social movement, eugenics reached its greatest popularity in the early decades of the 20th century. At this point in time, eugenics was practiced around the world and was promoted by governments, and influential individuals and institutions.

    Eugenics was a social movement. A social movement isn't an elite group, but a "loose collective." Wrong again, Spider.

    Please provide evidence if you make a statement. You've made a lot of false, foolish statements and it's very hard for anyone to take you seriously.

    Check my last post to you.

    You're the only one looking silly at the moment. You lied about Sanger wanting to exterminate people and did you not ASK me to provide evidence? So I quoted a statement from Sanger.

    None of it was relevant. You said Sanger wanted to exterminate specific groups of people and I disproved it. Now go munch on those sour grapes some more.

    Shouldn't it be pro-"life's" obsession with eugenics? Sanger was against abortion and supported eugenics. That means you support eugenics too. <---- Your logic, not mine!

    Only in the realm of the illogical is it relevant. But it is still trivial. LOL!

    - - - Updated - - -

    Just goes to show you that even pro-"lifers" support abortion when it fits their whim.
     
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    Nazi love of abortion in the occupied territories is well documented.

    Nazi leader Martin Bormann wrote: "The fertility of the Slavs is undesirable. They may use contraceptives or practice abortion, the more the better." Davidson, Eugene (1997) ''The Trial of the Germans: An Account of the Twenty-Two Defendants Before the International Military Tribunal'' University of Missouri Press p. 101

    Nazi leaders were condemned for promoting abortion in the occupied territories. Check out this website: Nuremberg Trial Proceedings
     
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    All of your statements comes from rabid pro choice sites as well.
     
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    sam you are irritating in the extreme, name one source I have used that is pro-choice or please just (*)(*)(*)(*).
     
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    Cady quotes pro-choice sites.
     
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    We both know this is a blatant lie.

    It looks very much like you can't dispute this fact: 2010 Census results reveal that Planned Parenthood is targeting minority neighborhoods. 79% of its surgical abortion facilities are located within walking distance of African American or Hispanic/Latino neighborhoods. Interesting.

    I prefer the whistleblowers to the industry apologists. I guess you don't. Which makes you a bit of a tool, don't you think?
     
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    Okay so you embrace her, glad we got that settled. So you embrace a devoted eugenicist and bigot. You can't separate Sanger from eugenics - it was at the heart of her message!
    What?! We've already established Sanger was devoted to eugenics. You've acknowledged this. Try to keep up. lol
    I already did. Do you have trouble understanding all those big words?

    Maybe if I show a picture that will help you get it.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Elite racists push eugenics and sterilization and abortion. Useful idiots (Agent Babylon for example) eagerly serve as apologists for these elite bigots.

    The Population Control Holocaust

    quote: When these pittances did not induce enough subjects to meet the [sterilization] quotas, some states adopted additional &#8220;incentives&#8221;: Madhya Pradesh, for example, denied irrigation water to villages that failed to meet their quotas. Faced with starvation, millions of impoverished people had no alternative but to submit to sterilization. As the forms of coercion employed worked most effectively on the poorest, the system also provided the eugenic bonus of doing away preferentially with untouchables.

    quote: Gandhi put her son Sanjay personally in charge of the new population offensive. He took to his job with gusto. Overt coercion became the rule: sterilization was a condition for land allotments, water, electricity, ration cards, medical care, pay raises, and rickshaw licenses. Policemen were given quotas to nab individuals for sterilization. Demolition squads were sent into slums to bulldoze houses &#8212; sometimes whole neighborhoods &#8212; so that armed police platoons could drag off their flushed-out occupants to forced-sterilization camps. In Delhi alone, 700,000 people were driven from their homes. Many of those who escaped the immediate roundup were denied new housing until they accepted sterilization.

    These attacks provoked resistance, with thousands being killed in battles with the police, who used live ammunition to deal with protesters. When it became clear that Muslim villages were also being selectively targeted, the level of violence increased still further. The village of Pipli was only brought into submission when government officials threatened locals with aerial bombardment. As the director of family planning in Maharashtra explained, &#8220;You must consider it something like a war.... Whether you like it or not, there will be a few dead people.&#8221;

    The measures served their purpose. During 1976, eight million Indians were sterilized. Far from being dismayed by the massive violation of human rights committed by the campaign, its foreign sponsors expressed full support. Sweden increased its funding for Indian population control by $17 million. Reimert Ravenholt ordered 64 advanced laparoscope machines &#8212; altogether sufficient to sterilize 12,800 people per day &#8212; rushed to India to help the effort. World Bank president McNamara was absolutely delighted. In November 1976, he traveled to India to congratulate Indira Gandhi&#8217;s government for its excellent work. &#8220;At long last,&#8221; he said, &#8220;India is moving effectively to address its population problem.&#8221;

    Prime Minister Gandhi got her loans. She also got the boot in 1977, when, in the largest democratic election in history, the people of India defied three decades of precedent and voted her Congress Party out of power in a landslide.
     
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    Useful idiots for the anti-natalist fanatics have more bigotry to justify:

    Israel tries to cull the population of People of Color: Israeli racist birth control policy toward its Ethiopian population

    quote: Health officials in Israel are subjecting many female Ethiopian immigrants to a controversial long-term birth control drug in what Israeli women&#8217;s groups allege is a racist policy to reduce the number of black babies.

    The contraceptive, known as Depo Provera, which is given by injection every three months, is considered by many doctors as a birth control method of last resort because of problems treating its side effects.

    However, according to a report published last week, use of the contraceptive by Israeli doctors has risen threefold over the past few years. Figures show that 57 per cent of Depo Provera users in Israel are Ethiopian, even though the community accounts for less than two per cent of the total population.

    About 90,000 Ethiopians have been brought to Israel under the Law of Return since the 1980s, but their Jewishness has subsequently been questioned by some rabbis and is doubted by many ordinary Israelis.

    Ethiopians are reported to face widespread discrimination in jobs, housing and education and it recently emerged that their blood donations were routinely discarded.
     
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    Am I Cady .. No .. so why put your pathetic attempts at debate against one of my comments.
     
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    Nice to see the New Atlantis making an appearance . .tell me do you have anything other than conservative links to support you. The New Atlantis is considered influential on conservative thinking about science and technology by commentators on both the left and the right, and was commented on as follows -

    try finding something a little less right-wing .. if you can.
     
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    Hard for me to understand why the anti-women fanatics want to waste their lives lying and covering up for the brutal religious industry.

    do you really think that religious links to religious ideology is compelling evidence :roflol:

    As to the second link which has more to do with cultural differences than anything else, or are you now saying that your viewpoint is the only one that is relevant even in another country with different cultural values?
     

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