If you don't want a baby, get your tubes tied.

Pro-lifers are against killing, which is why they are called pro-LIFERS!

 

CM hates HERSELF for having had an abortion. She now channels that outward.


BTW, Sam, real easy way you can prove me wrong.....quote Anders saying something POSITIVE about women....ever.

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Do you oppose ALL abortions, Sam? If not, you can't call yourself "pro-life"...can you?

 

Nah, they're just opposed to SOME killing. They're mostly just opposed to women having the power to make that decision unilaterally.

 

Sam has sevearl times been dismissive (at the least) of first trimester abortions....SEEMINGLY in support of them.....so I wonder how "pro-life" he really is?

BTW, he also is a big anti-feminist, likely due to his being influenced by rightwing talk radio and misogynists like Rush Limbaugh or Michael "Savage" Weiner.

 

Yes, I am very anti-feminist, and here's why. Many feminists are misandrists and man-haters, and I believe in equality. They want men to pay more child support than women do. In my opinion, both men and women should pay equal amounts of child support. This society is just so politically correct towards women that even stating that I am against feminists who believe that women are superior to men, somehow makes me a sexist. No, I believe in gender equality. Many feminist women are sexists, as well as total hypocrites.

They condemn men for supposedly objectifying women, and yet they never speak any words against women objectifying men. Women objectify men through magazines and romance movies, and men do the same thing to women. Both sides are guilty. Feminists really are sexists and man-haters if they have zero problems when women objectify men, but yet it's somehow demeaning when men objectify women.

And when did I ever make statements in favor of first trimester abortions?

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what killing are they not opposed to? You are putting words into their mouth. pro-lifers are not against abortions because they hate women. if men were the gender which got pregnant, they would be just as anti-abortion as they are now.

 

1. Sam....what besides "feminist" does a woman call herself who wants equal rights for women? And also....can you deny that most of your views on "feminists"....come from listening to Talk Radio guys like Rush Limbaugh (on his fourth marriage in as many decades) and Michael "Savage" Weiner who was dismissive of rape in the military and called Fox News women "legs with lipstick"?

2. You have said you don't think a zygote is a person until it can not longer divide into twins. And thus would NOT object to an abortion before that point.....is that "pro-life"?

3. Find me a quote from Anders....that is POSITIVE about women?

 

Geez, you would think you'd had some experience with paying child support!! Here's how the child support thing works: A judge decides how much a man can afford to pay. Sometimes a judge decides how much a woman can afford to pay, i.e. if the father has custody. Now the custodial parent has to make up the difference between what the child actually costs and what he/she receives in child support money. It's rare for a non-custodial parent to actually pay more than half of cost.

In my observation, pro-lifers are often not opposed to death penalties or war. Neither are they generally opposed to premature deaths caused by a lack of health care. I have seen pro-lifers express that they would be OK with abortion if the woman were required to have the prospective father's permission. That demonstrates that those particular pro-lifers do want to control women. That has actually been proposed as law, but defeated so far.

 

That's because there's a huge difference, in their eyes, between soldiers fighting each other on the battlefield, and innocent children being killed in an abortion.

Has Churchmouse, myself, or Anders ever suggested that women can only have abortions with the father's permission! No. You are generalizing and sterotyping all pro-lifers. I don't know about the others, but I am not one of those pro lifers.

 

That just goes to show how shut their eyes and YOURS are. tell me Sam, are those soldiers any less dead?
Do their families grieve less? Actually their families grieve ore than those who miscarry or have an abortion. So where is the difference? Why are their lives not important, but those of fetuses so important? How about all the civilians children among them? Those do not count?

 

Fetuses are not trying to take over other countries, unlike soldiers during wars. Pro-lifers are not hypocrites.

 

You are back to cow tipping level again. By your logic, or rather total lack of it, our soldiers who died and are dying deserved it? Are you drunk?

No not all of them, but you are.

 

You probably are drunk. You never make good arguments against my statements.

 

No...you want them to get the GOVERNMENT'S permission....and yet claim to be a person who distrusts Big Government.

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I cannot wait for the NEXT time you cry "Pro-choicers hurl personal insults at us poor, poor pro-lifers."....in all your self-righteous hypocrisy.

 

At least my personal comments aren't arguments in and of themselves. I don't use personal comments to totally dismiss the opposite side's statements. Unlike prometeus.

 

So you weren't "dismissing prometus' statements"....when you suggested he was drunk??? What other "arguments" did you use in that post, by the way?

You're a self-righteous hypocrite, Sam....but I like you.

 

that there's a huge difference between innocent children dying in abortions, and soldiers fighting each other in wars. therefore, pro-lifers are not hypocrites. this was the argument which i had stated to prometeus.

 

As always..the father is somehow absent from this discussion.

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The pregnant women and children who died In the Baghdad shock and awe bombings were soldiers?

 

Yes we are well aware that you are not capable of making arguments.

 

Not in the post where you suggested he was drunk....it was just a personal insult.

Face it, Sam....from now on (if not before) all your "Pro-choicers hurl insults at us" victimhood posts....will have the credibility Newt Gingrich has on "sexual morality and traditional marriage".

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He doesn't dislike men, potter.

 

I say that ALL men should have this done, no problems then .. it's really that simple

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/04/ff_vasectomy/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/03/male-birth-control-reversible_n_1400708.html

 

I say that both sides should have it done! LOL!

However, on a more serious note, both genders should take precautions, not just women. People that don't want to have an unwanted pregnancy should just get sterilized.

 

The point is that you keep bringing these types of threads up which are always directly aimed at women, yet there is a procedure that would render men temporarily impotent with no side effects and is 100% effective 100% of the time, yet we never see you advocating that so we?

It is plain that all your threads point towards the woman being the only one who should do something .. why is that?

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Nah you just love trying to force women to do your bidding.

 

That's fine for people who already have all the children they want, but sterilization is considered a permanent solution. That's unlike the process Fugazi is posting about, which I do not believe is available yet. Yes, sometimes sterilizations are reversed, but you should not have the procedure counting on that.

 

you just get funnier everyday.

Ok, lets put your "opinion" to the test, name one pro-choice group that are forcing you to comply to their beliefs, name one piece of legislation being proposed that forces you to comply to their beliefs, name on pro-choicer who has forced you to comply to their beliefs.

 

Pro-choicers really nitpick at pro-lifers, especially at Anders.

You see? I am not sexist. I support both genders getting sterilized!

Do you believe that all pro lifers are sexists?