Religion of peace not so peaceful after all.

i have, you either ignore them or dismiss it

[video=youtube;to6hd3zTq2E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to6hd3zTq2E[/video]

 

Your right, actions reflect the character and that is why Muslims are having so much trouble in Europe. My actions is to make people aware of why it's happening. The in-actions of the good Muslims of not trying to stop it, is why it reflects on all. Don't kill the messenger.

 

Do you control your fellow Americans when they are in Europe?

 

How ANY American could defend a religion which a few people used to kill over 3 thousand Americans on one single day which MILLIONS of other members of that religion openly cheered about is beyond belief.

Oh, that's right, the ONLY thing some of these people give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about is continuing their partisan ways. For some reason it has became a "right wing" thing to call out Muslim terrorists and so, facts be damned the left wing response is to defend the scum. And of course as they are defended , some on the right go even further crazy in denouncing ALL Muslims.

It's a lunatic cycle of stupidity.

Who would or even could logically deny that there is something wrong with a religion when so many people "misinterpret" its holy book? If 15% of Christians were misinterpreting the Bible to mean that it was perfectly acceptable to kill non Believers, treat women like (*)(*)(*)(*), and just generally behave like animals, you're comparison MIGHT have a point.

 

if you had a clue what's going on

you'd know that what's being defended is the truth

 

I have seen your stupid video and watched it for 9 min. I quit it when he started talking about peace. Go to the 7-9 min mark on your video and listen to what he says.

The Muslim Cleric Video Damning Our Fallen Soldiers to Hell

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In the interest of fairness , it should be noted that even "sane" Muslims know that if they speak out against the "crazy" Muslims, they are as good as dead.

I mean some nut Westboro group acts the way they do, and other Christians call them nuts, and what do they do? Nothing. I've never heard of any radical Muslim group just letting an insult go unchecked.

 

Has Europe tried to close their borders to Americans? Has Americans gone after priests that have molested boys and locked them up, brought big fines on the church and even abandoned the Catholic religion? Haven't we condemned the actions of that Baptist church that keeps following our soldiers funerals and damned them to hell? Made a law to keep them away from the cemeteries. We would band them if we could, but free speech laws prevent that. There are only (A FEW) doing it, but we have condemned the few haven't we? We took actions against them.

 

Congratulations, Margot. You've finally succeeded in making your posts singularly confusing...

 

of course you quit and of course you don't want to acknowledge that he literally said he hates obama and described how he wants to see obama die

 

What religion is "the religion of peace"?

 

Your right, a few can do nothing to stop it. Thousands or millions standing together can. That's why I said let them take to the streets in protest like they have of a cartoon. Let these hate talking imam and clerics know they won't settle that hate talk being preached in their mosques anymore.

 

So guilty by association? You are blaming ALL Muslims for the actions of a few? Yet at the same time, you don't blame all Christians for the action of a few?

This has to do more with your own political idealogy than religion because you don't like Muslims, not to mention blacks, hispanics, Asians, and any other group you deem undesireable. And perhaps you shoudl be treated the same way as Lee Harvey Oswald, a former Marine. You shoudl be scrutinized to the nth degree becasue of Lee Harvey Oswald.

 

Point out the place on the tape he said it.

 

I am blaming Muslims for doing nothing to stop the few, yes I am. Only they can put a stop to it. Who else can? Some Muslims have no trouble murdering their own kids because their actions bring shame on their family. They don't want people looking down on them. Why would Muslims want to let the actions of a few bring down condemnation on all of them? Please answer that?

Yes, I just got finished blaming Christians for the actions of a few. I even pointed out the actions that were taken. Don't you understand everyting I say?

 

in the video the preacher talks about killing snails with salt

at 0:22:46 he says: "i'd like to see obama melt like a snail"

0:24:24 - "break his teeth in his mouth" "let him pass away"


"In August 2009, the church received national attention when Anderson shared that he was praying for the death of President Barack Obama in his sermons. The nonprofit civil rights organization Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) lists Faithful Word Baptist Church as an anti-gay hate group for its pastor's extreme positions on homosexuality."

Hate group designation

The SPLC has listed the church as an anti-gay hate group, noting that Pastor Anderson described gays as “sodomites” who “recruit through rape,” and “recruit through molestation”. In explaining the hate group designation, the SPLC said Anderson suggests homosexuals should be killed, and in a sermon he stated “The biggest hypocrite in the world is the person who believes in the death penalty for murderers but not for homosexuals.” A few days after the listing, Pastor Anderson stated "I do hate homosexuals and if hating homosexuals makes our church a hate group then that's what we are."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithful_Word_Baptist_Church


isn't it funny how this guy has the same opinion on homosexuals as radical muslims?

 

He said he would like to see him die in the same fashion he has supported the killing of the new born. His is not recommending that someone go out and kill him. Although I don't even think he should have said that.

As for gay, yes, the Bible does speak against that lifestyle. Many Christians and even Muslims don't believe gays. But in some countries like Iran, you can be put to death for being gay. Some people here have killed them, although if caught here, they prosecute the killer.

 

how did i know you would make excuses for this guy preaching hate and death?

 

Fair enough as I think what you’re saying is that you’re not overly in love with Christians and that you don’t necessarily hate Muslims.

Then let me ask you a question; why was your first response back to me filled with a bunch of questions that were obviously designed to paint Christians as saints who do no wrong or aren’t on anybody’s “watch list”?

My horse wasn’t drawn from anything other than trying to explain to people that not all Muslims are evil people.

That’s all - full stop – easy.

I didn’t want to or don’t want to get into debates about the merits between the difference's of all the religions.

I’ll leave it at this, I have spent “years” around many different groups of people all around the world, and nobody can convince me that any group is pure evil – full stop, and have a nice day…………….

 

If I were a member of that congregation, I would have confronted that minister and told him that what he said was wrong and his words could have incited someone to go out and kill an abortion doctor, like some have already done. Or tried to take a pot shot at Obama. I would also talked to many of the other congregation and asked them to stand behind me on this. If nothing came of it, I would have quit the church. I had plenty of disagreements with my my minister over church policy and did eventually quit the church. I don't go anymore as my wife is Jewish. But I will agree with you on this.

 

This is a fair point. I mean we could compare it to the absurd crime rate among black males in this country. WHo's going to change that? Well, black males of course.

And in BOTH cases, pretending like there isn't a problem isn't going to solve anything.

 

So when are you going to blame Christians for doing nothing?

 

You are not doing enough per your own rules.

What you need to do is post 100's of threads whowing your disgust with him, send letters to the editor describign your disgust, make it known to all that you disapprove of his speech and actions, and state that anyoe assocated with him are held in the same regard,

Maybe, just maybe, we who are being crticizded for "defending the Islamic faith" may give you a pass, but I won't bet on it if you continue to use the same hypocrisy as you do now on this post.

 

maybe so, but those people ate it up

 

Liberals and Obama says we have a duty to our fellow citizens to help the poor and those unable to help themselves and I agree with that. But don't we also have a duty to our own race and religion to try and make sure the few don't trash it and make us all look bad?

People are followers. We tend to get in with a group and pick a leader and do much of anything they say. We don't really think things through or check things out. Jimmy Jones and David Koresh comes to mind. Both were religious leaders and they had many followers. But what they were preaching and doing was against what God wanted. But if you talked against them, their followers defended them to their death.

We are the same way with our political Parties. We pick a Party and defend everything they do, even knowing some of it is wrong. We seem to block out all the negative, because we don't want to hear it. It can't be bad, because I belong to it. To talk against it means I'm backing the wrong Party or religion, so I'll defend it with everything I have. Is that the right attitude to have? Wouldn't we be smarter to praise the good in both and put down the bad? For if we go along with everything they do, they will just get worse because they know their flock will go along with it. I am a Republican. But I have had many disagreements with Republicans on policy on these boards. I'm a Christian, but no matter how much I dislike some abortions, unlike most Republicans, I know there is a good reason for some. I don't like the gay life style and having it shoved in my face. But is not God the judge and jury, not me? I have no right to take a life. God said vengeance is his, not ours. What is heaven and hell for if not for his judgement, not ours. I have no right to force my religion on anyone. God said he'd rather have us hot or cold, for if we are luke warm, he spit us out of his mouth.

We can speak against the wrong we see, but only you have the power to change it. I just don't see putting all our faith in one religion or one Party. Both will fail us at one point. But if we keep backing them unconditionally, they will keep leading us around by the nose and down the wrong road. It's our duty to speak up when we see wrong, not go along with it, the same as it is our duty to help the poor and those that can't help themselves. No matter how smart we are, a little common sense can tell you right from wrong. We seem to use so little of it.