School removes 'Christ the Savior' from 'Silent Night'

So your opinion is that the progressive left is not teaching an anti-religous viewpoint in school? You must have gone to some very different schools than I did. Here in lib-land, leftist teachers aren't pushing religious beliefs except their own religion of secular humanist Marxism.

They aren't. Singing a very old Christmas song like "Silent Night" is only "teaching religious faith" to the hyper sensitive militant atheists in our society.

And validate your poorly constructed and bigoted generalization? Why would I want to do that?

 

Re-read it again, this time read what I wrote not what you wish I wrote. I said nothing about the law or shoving any religion upon anyone. I did comment on the misplaced sensitivity of certain people.

 

I've seen where schools did not push religion too, that does not cross out the fact that I have. Now what?

So we segregate by religious faith, exactly what the founding fathers did NOT want. This is your idea of religious freedom from government interference, the government segregates children according to their religious beliefs or lack thereof?

Funny how if one religious groups objects to their beliefs being compromised they are whimpy but if Christians do they are not.

 

I equate beliefs as evidenced in action. In the past 100 years, how many people have been beheaded by Christians versus muslims? How many honor killings? And I know from your response you have never been in an Islamic nation and seen how women are treated when the law of the land is the quran.

If you don't like my "de-railing" then thread, then don't respond.

 

Speaking about EVERY school in the nation? There may be a few and if they are they should certainly be stopped from doing so. So if the schools are teaching this why do you entrust in them to hold religious ceremony for your kids?

I went to schools in the deep South in the 50-60-70's and religion was kept out of them.

Like what?

Me>> So why would you want leftist teaching your children religious faith?

Well which is it? Are they the secular humanist Marxist you just claimed they were or not?

It is celebrating a religious faith and yes when teachers instruct kids on the song and it's words and meaning that is religious instruction.

Tell me what if the teacher in the class is Muslim or Jewish or Buddist or Hindu or even atheist and they refuse to teach their class Christian religious songs?

 

I'm far from a leftie , why must you try and label everything ?

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I'm saying not everyone wants their money paying for songs about an opposing religion .

 

Because people don't want to pay for opposing religions . Why must you sing your religion at schools ? Isn't the home and church enough ?

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Yup , I agree .

 

I haven't seen any Govt schools push religion. So my anecdote still crosses yours out. Now what?

How is the singing of "Silent Night" at some school concert an example of the Government pushing religion onto children? It's a song traditionally associated with Christmas, almost 200 years old, and has been sung at school concerts for decades. What negatives have resulted from this song being sung?

I've been to many of these school concerts... there have been secular songs, Jewish songs, and Christian songs. Nobody really had a problem with it. There's always one or two people who want to channel their inner protesting leftist by declaring the religious songs equate to oppression of minorities. That's about it. Everyone else gets on with enjoying the holiday season and the butthurt dwellers go home and rage about it back at mom and dad's house.

 

I disagree that it's a "religious ceremony". And I highly doubt that only "a few" schools teach an anti-religious viewpoint when schools are run by public employee union workers who vote primarily Democrat.

Good for you. It's made you into the anti-religious warrior you are today.

They aren't.

As in "they aren't teaching Christian religious belief".

There have been Jewish teachers instructing them to sing Christmas songs. Believe it or not, there are Jews who don't feel a need to war against Christmas like you do. They have better things to do.

 

That's what I'm saying, either sing the song the way it's supposed to be sung or don't sing it at all. It's a christian song, editing it is just stupid.

 

No, they absolutely do not.

Islam and Christianity are mutually exclusive.

Christians believe Jesus was the Son of God, of divine virgin birth, was crucified, died on the cross, and was resurrected. Islam does not - Islam rejects the entire foundation of the Chrisitian religion. That one simple difference makes the 2 religions totally incompatible. Islam teaches Jesus was a man with no divinity, and was not crucified at all since God would not permit his chosen prophet to be treated in such a gross manner. Jesus was taken by God out of the prison cell before the crucifiction and another man (maybe Judas) was put in his place to be crucified.

If there even was a crucifiction. Islam also teaches that the New Testament is all false, and that the original teachings of Jesus were lost or malicously replaced by the 12 disciples, and Jesus message was usurped by people wanting power. Since Jesus teachings were lost, God had a another messenger (mohammad) come after Jesus.

Since the New Testament is false, anyone that believes the New testament is a blasphemer to Islam.

The 2 religions irreconcilable and incompatible.

When a muslim says that Chrsitians are also "people of the Book" and are compatibe with Islam, they do not mean Christianity from the New Testament or Chrsitianity as anything like what we in the West consider "christianity".

 

The poor logic is thinking other religions want to pay for opposing religions to be sung about .
I highly doubt all the Christians getting out of shape would enjoy their children singing a song about Abraham or Mohammed .

 

Clearly you have never been to an Islamic country. A first hand view of what life in an Islamic nation is like would do wonders for your "knowledge" of Islam.

Spend a moment with google looking up "honor killings", "beheadings", and the "penalty for homosexuality". What religion keeps coming up, over and over? Not Christianity, but Islam. Actions reflect belief, and the actions of muslims are those of a barbaric depraved people.

 

Gods and prophets are not the same thing ...

 

There are no songs in America that are traditionally sung during Christmas about Muhammad or Abraham. Not part of the culture or history of the country.

 

Not part of your culture , and Christmas songs about Christ isn't a part of many cultures ... We are a melting pot ... Not fair to force people to pay for funding for something that is opposing to their own religious view points .

 

Then they should of not sung the song....BTW, it is just a song...geez people.

 

I agree but we have a long tradition of celebrating this holiday and I do think it can be used as a positive learning experience. We should and do in most cases respect and celebrate other faith on the public dime .

 

There's no such thing as a "melting pot". Silly multicultural nonsense. See my signature.

 

Prophets being God's messengers are not equal to God, but they are synonymous. If you are going to argue that the messages of the Christian and Islamic prophets are incompatible but they speak for the same God, then its a ridiculous arguement.

 

Students singing a song with religious references doesn't violate the Separation of Church and State. First of all, students aren't even funded by the taxpayers (the teachers are.) Second of all, singing a song in school with a reference to Jesus doesn't directly teach or promote religion. It's just a few words. It's not like the students are reading the Bible and preaching a sermon about sin.

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Hearing a few words in a song is not "preaching".

 

In your opinion , which I disagree with .

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No , the argument is they share the same god .

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Yes , interesting opinion . But I believe this is the most diverse country on the planet .

 

I'm so sick of this politically correct BS. Have people no balls anymore?

 

I think parents need to do this more , compared to a school .

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I think about this more in a general since , because this isn't the first time this type of debate has come up.

 

Do Muslims and Christians believe in the same God?