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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what if 250,000 Jews decided they want to stay in their homes as citizens of Palestine?

    and no, Palestine is not a UN member state.
     
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    Palestine is a UN-recognised State. Again, no Zionist immigration or settlement in Palestine is legal.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so Palestine must be Jew-free?

    even though Jews lived in the West Bank before 1949?
     
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    Jews in illegal squats inside Palestine have already been invited to adopt Palestinian citizenship after the Zionist withdrawal.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    prove it
     
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    See the Saudi peace plan.
     
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    Nonsense, it has been supplied by the West every single time, and supported diplomatically every time except 56. Thats why it has been able to retain so much conquered land. Through weapons and money supplied by the west.

    Sending soldiers in support is not necessary when you can send weapons. Moreover Israeli policy is not popular with the the western public and therefore soldiers cannot be sent - but soldiers are not the only means of support, nor ha Israel every asked for such support, because that would mean the west could influence its land takings.

    Your reasoning and historical knowledge is lacking.
     
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    Huh? Of course every country on the planet uses weapons that's produced elsewhere, Israel primarily used American/French weapons, the Arabs used Soviet weapons....The point is Israel stood alone against the onslaught of 5 - 7 arab armies....Every time push came to shove Israel stood alone, Israeli pilots were shooting down Arab MIGs, Israeli tank crews attacked Arab trenches, Israeli infantry was involved in hand-to-hand combat with overwhelming Arab forces, Israelis were shedding their blood and no one came to their help. Sorry but your argument is patently absurd, based on your reasoning if a gang is armed with AK-47 that means that they are supported by Russia.
     
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    Rubbish you just don't know your facts;

    Arabs didn't get soviet weapons until some time after 48. Israel had western weapons from the start, first Czech black market weapons, then French jets, then the entire American arsenal .

    Israel was the biggest and most powerful military player from the start. It equalled the number of troops and weapons available by the end of the 48 war.

    Arab forces were not overwhelming at all. Arab distances are overwhelming, and that's the only thing that saved the Arabs from Israel in the end. Israelis were not helped by western troops because Israel was and is in the wrong. Again and again it has been warned by the west not to attack and that's why it was not supported. It was at no point Israelis needing help against its enemies but the arabs needing help fending off Israel who wanted its the various lands round it to farm and settle on and repeatedly invaded until it gained them.

    Sorry but you just are simply not interested in the balance of forces in the various wars; feel free to detail them right here so we may have an accounting and deal with the stupid propaganda you spew out from Israeli sources..
     
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    One trusts that the Qatari government is wise to MOSSAD and its assassination policies- including murdering political opponents in other peoples' countries.
     
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    They should consolidate their unification first- then hit the neoZionists with some multiple-warhead law bombs.

    Anybody who thought it was embarrassing to watch Obama vetoing his own policy at the UN ain't seen nothing yet.
     
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    Israel will respond by hauling Hamas before The Hague.
     
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    A futile gesture- in the face of Israeli guilt.
     
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    the case against Hamas for crimes against humanity is pretty damn strong.
     
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    We'll see.
     
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    Creation with due respect you are dead wrong. Only the US and Dutch have been open and unconditional allies of Israel and now Canada.

    Even in 1967 the US pressured Israel to stop and again in 1973 we almost had a nuclear war. The Soviets were ready to nuke Israel and vice versa and the Americans had to do very tense mediation.

    Reagan and Bush never ever gave Israel the green light on military actions and certainly not Nixon,. Carter or Clinton. All US Presidents have had to proceed with extreme caution in their support of Israel and as much as Reagan was not anti Israeli he was very pro Saudi Arabian and the Bush family has deep ties to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States.

    Holland exposed itself to much criticism and severe hardship during the oil boycotts in 1967. Israel had a plane crash in Amsterdam with alleged toxic chemicals that caused Holland a lot of heat but they never turned on Israel when they could have.

    Germany has sent Israel submarines but along with Britain and France it has made a fortune in the sale of chemicals to the Arab world and Iran. Israel has Holland, Canada and the US as its allies these days. Those are the only 3 countries that defend openly its right to exist. Everyone else couches their support if there is any. To say the West supported or supports Israel is nonsense. The EEC has an open bias against Israel and that is clearly because of its feelings of vulnerability over oil and its own ever increasing Muslim populations.

    Toay Obama is no friend of Israel but even though Joe Biden was insulted by Netanyahu Israelis in the cabinet are close to him. Kerry is considered a fool but the Clintons and many US Senators Republican and Democrat are honoured and respected and there is no matter what anyone says a very solid trust between the UDF and US Armed Forces-they have friction and disagreement but they can work together and respect each other at a military level between working Colonels and officers on joint missions.
     
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    As is the case against Israel, as is the case against the United States, as is the case against China, as is the case against Russia. The Canadians are probably safe, but otherwise, not looking too good for most nations.
     
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    The Canadians were on the losing side of the 138-9 United Nations vote in favour of Palestinian Statehood. They'll have plenty to hide, no worries.
     
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    Which particular borders do you have in mind, Drew?

    # Those proposed by the United Nations in 1947?
    # The ceasefire lines of 1967 (never considered to be borders)?
    # As above but including East Jerusalem? (a unilateral annexation by Israel)
    # The continuously changing "facts on the ground" of today, condemned by most countries
     
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    The PLO recognizes the 1967 lines as Israel's legitimate borders.

    The VAST majority of the 1949 Armistice Lines are now official international boundaries.
     
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    As I've said previously, that's still up for challenge. It may be possible to prove that the UNGAR 181 division is still pertinent. Some international law practitioners think so.
     
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    The border between Egypt and Israel is an official border.

    The vast majority of the border between Israel and Jordan is an official border.

    Palestine recognizes Israel within the 1967 lines.
     
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    Same-o.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and yet the UN recognizes Israel within the 1949 lines.
     
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