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Not by explicit vote . The best legal claim to a border that Israel can make- other than squatting on it- is to claim that UN recognition of Palestine on the pre 1967 borders implies that there is an ' Israel ' on the other side of it.

 

No it does not. Stop repeating what is clearly not true.

Abbas is on public record saying he will not recognize the 1967 borders until the State of Israel allows to be returned to it any Arab claiming to be Palestinian and will not refer to itself as a Jewish state.

You repeat that until doomsday Ronstar but its false.

 

sure they do.

Israel demanded it as part of the Oslo Accords, and that's why they demand Israel return to the 1967 lines.

 

Arafat ripped up the Olso accords and publically stated he had no intention of actually agreeing to them, negotiated in bad faith and Clinton and Israel should have known he would never agree to anything but a Muslim Palestinian state consisting of all of Israel and Jordan.

I am not sure what world you live in Ronstar but do continue. You can also pretend you are not aware of the volume of Abbas speeches stating he will never accept a Jewish state in Israel and would only agree to recognize it as a state when in fact it becomes a majority Muslim state.

You can repeat the same thing over and over it does not make it true. You are beating a dead horse.

Do we not have enough people who use these threads to spit out their subjective opinions as facts and misrepresent these facts? You want to keep adding to that?

 

The UN is irrelevant. Until Palestinians recognize Jewish state, drop their ridiculous demands for the right of return and all the other garbage pre-conditions, Israel will be right where it is now, all the arab hysteria notwithstanding.

 

I had no intention of doing otherwise.

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This "Jewish state" demand only began 2 years ago.

I wonder why this is?

 

Even a simple recognition of Israel by arabs would be a good start.

 

Right of return is not a pre-condition but enshrined in law.

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They've already done it.

 

Egypt, Jordan, and Palestine has recognized Israel.

 

That was part of the lead-up to the Olso accords, which Netanyahu destroyed. So please don't try THAT cherry-pick on us. It was also what the Arab League suggested at its Beirut conferences in 2002 and 2007 which were rejected by Israel. More cherry-picking. Sorry Ronstar, you cannot possibly be serious while still maintaining that, because the Arab countries voted against "181", the Palestinians are not entitled to their own country.

So?
Those between Israel and Syria and Israel and the PA are not.
Israel has a GREAT opportunity to make it so. But Golda Meir was greedy. She wanted more of Eretz Yisrael, so she said "Nyet".

You can't have it both ways, and it might yet bite Israel in the bum.

 

The Oslo Accords are still very active.

And your use of the term "cherry pick", is wrong.

 

Absolute nonsense.

 

klipkap, Ronstar, et al,

There is something wrong here!

(COMMENT)

On the matter of the 1967 Lines, the official Palestinian position is posted on the Palestinian Liberation Organization - Negotiations Affairs Department (PLO-NAD) Website:

As far as the issue of a country, the State of Palestine already exists and is recognized.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

The PA still rules Area A.

Israel and the PA share control of Area B.

This is all part of the Oslo Accords.

 

There certainly is. It's either a typo or the page has been hacked. The International community- and Palestine- agreed as recently as November 29th, 2012 that Palestine's borders lie on the pre- 1967 lines.
That's the current legal position. Your link is outdated- as well as suspect.

 

lol!!!! you're calling the Palestinians "liars"??????

 

No, that's the job of neoZionist misfits.

 

hey, you're the one calling the website a fraud....simply because you disagree with it.

 

I simply agreed with RoccoR. There IS something wrong. Palestine has been recognised on the PRE-1967 borders.

 

otherwise known as the 1949 Armistice Lines.

 

moon, et al,

I have to laugh... Hacked! Suspect Source! Oh come on.

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No - you would be not correct. First, what are the "pre-1967" Lines? That would be the Armistice Lines of 1949.

Secondly, the "pre-1967 Line" language comes from the "request" (cited below 68/12) to the HR Committee. It is not the legal position held by the General Assembly in Resolution 67/19 of 29 November 2012 (cited below).

There are many borders, boundaries and lines that are pre-1967. The terminology is not useful unless defined.

As far as the link (PLO-NAD) being outdated, you will not that it has a 2014 notice at the bottom.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

The pre-1967 borders are what they are. The ' Request '; was granted, 138 votes to a shameful 9 against.

Hacking of- ostensibly- authoritative web pages is common. This one. for example, states that Great Britain voted in favour of Resolution 181 when , in fact, it abstained.


Israel's borders under law
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/world/israelborders.php

 

yeah, the 1949 borders.

which the United Nations not once ordered Israel to retreat from.

NOT ONCE.

 

They've been ordered to withdraw TO them though, by a Chapter 6 SC Resolution- and they've ignored that to date. Once implemented we can start to send them back to the UNGAR 181 lines. You ARE a proponent of 181, are you not ?

 

Israel has been ordered to withdraw to the June 4th, 1967 lines (which includes West Jerusalem) as part of a comprehensive peace deal with its neighbors.

Once that is achieved, the UN will make no further demands for land withdrawals upon Israel.